Football To the Herm haters. - Page 2

kcbubb · 07-29-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K

And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.

Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

suds79 · 07-29-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB

NEW TOPIC: Anybody here like Mega Man?

Love Mega Man.

I was a late bloomer onto the series. Never played it as a kid. Then while I was in college, I downloaded an SNES emulator and tried out Mega Man... Beat it. Loved it.

Think I ended up playing through the 1st 3 of them or so.

Reerun_KC · 07-29-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Wrong again. Herm said he would have taken Curry on ESPN.

That is why Herm is on ESPN and not a HC in the NFL... He cant destroy franchises on ESPN, He can talk his stupid bullshit, but the effects are people wearing out mute buttons not the total destruction of an NFL football team...

**The Bad Guy** · 07-29-2009, 11:49 AM

Can someone just Old Yeller this MF so they can put him out of his misery?

Herm led this team to 6 wins in 2 years yet losers like this want to defend him?

****ing hilarious.

RustShack · 07-29-2009, 11:49 AM

Oh to stay mediocre instead of building a championship team! Come back Carl and Herm!!!

**The Bad Guy** · 07-29-2009, 11:51 AM

Ha, the biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating Jared Allen?

Really?

milkman · 07-29-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Can someone just Old Yeller this MF so they can put him out of his misery?

Herm led this team to 6 wins in 2 years yet losers like this want to defend him?

****ing hilarious.

It's amazing, isn't it?

We have people here defending Herman ****ing Edwards, ****her, and even Carl at one time.

I mean, I hated Marty, but I can see how people would defend him, but these three idiots is incomprehensible.

RustShack · 07-29-2009, 11:53 AM

Thigpen isn't tall enough to be a SB winning QB. Herm is the wrong color to be a SB winning coach. Carl is too reeruned to put together a SB winning team. I like our odds better now. We need to take chances that Herm couldn't take, and the 3-4 defense has a greater success rate than the Tampa Two.

Tiger's Fan · 07-29-2009, 11:56 AM

Why is this ****ing idiot still in the green?

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 07-29-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Thigpen isn't tall enough to be a SB winning QB. Herm is the wrong color to be a SB winning coach. Carl is too reeruned to put together a SB winning team. I like our odds better now. We need to take chances that Herm couldn't take, and the 3-4 defense has a greater success rate than the Tampa Two.

CoMoChief · 07-29-2009, 11:58 AM

7. Captain Munnerlyn

Cool name.

milkman · 07-29-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Why is this ****ing idiot still in the green?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else.

But I very rarely give out neg rep, and I never give out neg rep for football opinions, even when they are as idiotic as these.

Reerun_KC · 07-29-2009, 12:00 PM

This should warrant a ban.... I think we should all report this post as offensive and abusive to the intelligence level of the board and its members...

**The Bad Guy** · 07-29-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Well, I can't speak for anyone else.

But I very rarely give out neg rep, and I never give out neg rep for football opinions, even when they are as idiotic as these.

As a whole, I think rep is ****ing stupid.

milkman · 07-29-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

As a whole, I think rep is ****ing stupid.

I agree.

kcbubb · 07-29-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's amazing, isn't it?

We have people here defending Herman ****ing Edwards, ****her, and even Carl at one time.

I mean, I hated Marty, but I can see how people would defend him, but these three idiots is incomprehensible.

I didn't defend Herm. But I do like how the team would look personnel wise with how he would have drafted than what we have currently. I like the 4-3. I don't like the 3-4 with our current personal.

I like Gailey's old offense and if given the option, I would rather focus on improving the defense with a pass rusher and some linebackers and improving the offensive line rather doing what Pioli and Haley did.

Even with Herm's poor coaching, I bet the 2009 Herm and Carl Chiefs would be better and closer to the playoffs than the Pioli and Haley Chiefs.

You can't win the superbowl if you aren't in the playoffs.

07-29-2009, 11:37 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5156719	To the Herm haters. I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe. Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around. -First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season. -The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense. -Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up. -Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs. -The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players: 1. Aaron Curry 2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.) 3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G. 4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.) 5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.) 6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh) 7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner) 7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT) 7. Ryan Succop K And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen. Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.
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07-29-2009, 11:49 AM	#18
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Can someone just Old Yeller this MF so they can put him out of his misery? Herm led this team to 6 wins in 2 years yet losers like this want to defend him? ****ing hilarious. __________________
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3136954	Oh to stay mediocre instead of building a championship team! Come back Carl and Herm!!! __________________
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07-29-2009, 11:51 AM	#20
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Ha, the biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating Jared Allen? Really? __________________
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07-29-2009, 11:53 AM	#22
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3136954	Thigpen isn't tall enough to be a SB winning QB. Herm is the wrong color to be a SB winning coach. Carl is too reeruned to put together a SB winning team. I like our odds better now. We need to take chances that Herm couldn't take, and the 3-4 defense has a greater success rate than the Tampa Two. __________________
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07-29-2009, 12:00 PM	#27
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