Cassel Chronicles: The Conclusion

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It is not completely about stats you can ask milkman on that point, and as I said I will not ever put a 1 year starter in the top 10 for QB's that position requires consistency.

If it didn't I'd list Matt Ryan in the top 10 but I won't do that till he has another good year.

You're right.

Stats are irrelevent without context.

However, I will say that Eli Manning is the other QB that is easily replacable among your list of top ten QBs.

I can't see any QB at this point who would replace him, but should Rogers, Ryan, and, yes, Cassel all have a another good year, they could knock him off that list.

The fact is, outside the top 4, maybe 5, the remaing names on that list are not all that good.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're right.

Stats are irrelevent without context.

However, I will say that Eli Manning is the other QB that is easily replacable among your list of top ten QBs.

I can't see any QB at this point who would replace him, but should Rogers, Ryan, and, yes, Cassel all have a another good year, they could knock him off that list.

The fact is, outside the top 4, maybe 5, the remaing names on that list are not all that good.

I think Manning is ascending he's improving a lot, and I'd wager he plays with the worst group of WR's of any of the top of the line QB's.

The Giants have a lot riding on Hakeem Nicks this year.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Manning is ascending he's improving a lot, and I'd wager he plays with the worst group of WR's of any of the top of the line QB's.

The Giants have a lot riding on Hakeem Nicks this year.

he had plax. when plax was gone he regressed. but a top flight QB shouldnt right, i mean you and others have said that if cassel doesnt have a monster year the move was totally bad. so in your opinion a top flight qb should be able to overcome anything right, throw it catch it run it make all the defensive and special teams tackles

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Manning is ascending he's improving a lot, and I'd wager he plays with the worst group of WR's of any of the top of the line QB's.

The Giants have a lot riding on Hakeem Nicks this year.

I think Manning was ascending, but I don't know that he hasn't hit a plateau.

I think he is about wher he will be, a fringe top 10 QB who can fall out of that level if a couple of QBs put together a couple of good seasons back to back.

I don't totally agree with Jason, but I think there is some merit to his point that Manning shouldn't have declined nearly as much as he did with the loss of Burress.

There is just something lacking in Manning's makeup that leads me to believe he's never going to be much more than he is right now.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think Manning was ascending, but I don't know that he hasn't hit a plateau.

I think he is about wher he will be, a fringe top 10 QB who can fall out of that level if a couple of QBs put together a couple of good seasons back to back.

I don't totally agree with Jason, but I think there is some merit to his point that Manning shouldn't have declined nearly as much as he did with the loss of Burress.

There is just something lacking in Manning's makeup that leads me to believe he's never going to be much more than he is right now.

he seems to just go with the flow sometimes. and the argument i used about plax is just throwing what these guys say about cassel back at them

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think Manning was ascending, but I don't know that he hasn't hit a plateau.

I think he is about wher he will be, a fringe top 10 QB who can fall out of that level if a couple of QBs put together a couple of good seasons back to back.

I don't totally agree with Jason, but I think there is some merit to his point that Manning shouldn't have declined nearly as much as he did with the loss of Burress.

There is just something lacking in Manning's makeup that leads me to believe he's never going to be much more than he is right now.

Well I think Palmer's better but I'm not going to put him in the top 10 after only playing in a couple games last year. I'm giving Brady the benefit because of how much far ahead of everyone he was before his injury outside of Peyton.

The hate some people have for Palmer amazes me.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I think Palmer's better but I'm not going to put him in the top 10 after only playing in a couple games last year. I'm giving Brady the benefit because of how much far ahead of everyone he was before his injury outside of Peyton.

The hate some people have for Palmer amazes me.

i dont hate him, just dont think he's as good as you do.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i dont hate him, just dont think he's as good as you do.

Palmer, before his injuries, was a top 3 QB in the NFL easily.