Todd Haley is a MF'in prick

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, it's not. If you actually think that Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh would each start for an NFL franchise, you need to watch some film.

JFC.

Goff was good enough to start for a division winner last year. There are some REALLY crappy linemen out there. You act like every team is lining up with a bunch of all-pros.

Yeah, he proved he had hamstring injuries and could only run the ball 67 times.

So? He proved he could make plays. He's not Kolby Smith or Dantrell Savage. The guy has talent and has used it to success on an NFL field. He's a legit backup RB and threat out of the backfield. You're completely minimizing him to NOTHING and that's garbage.

He's proven that he's 36 and may not make the team. To think that a 36 year-old receiver is going to make an impact is tenuous at best.

Who was the last 36 year old receiver in the NFL to make an impact?

Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

Pure and utter speculation. First off, they're transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so there's no comparison to last year.

Secondly, and more importantly, you've just mentioned not one, but TWO ****ing rookies and two guys with more than 13 years in the league are going to make an impact.

Really? ****ing really?

The Chiefs had COMPLETE TRASH on the defensive line last year. They got run the hell over. Magee and Jackson, if they are who Pioli thinks they are, aren't complete trash. Pretty simple.

As far as Thomas and Vrabel, yes, they could get hurt. ANYONE can get hurt. If they stay healthy, they'll improve the run defense, and Vrabel will improve the pass rush. There's no question about that. None at ALL. The Chiefs were bottom of the barrel in those areas last year.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

I am concerned about the age of our WRs. They tend to lose a lot of the speed and athleticism necessary to compete in the NFL. The really good ones make up for that by using their experience and technique. If we're lucky, these guys might be able to do that. Still does not make me very confident.

As for Bowe, I think it is a good thing. Haley needs to get guys' attitudes in check. Remind me of one very successful (regular season) coach who put a Pro Bowl LBer on the bench for the first quarter/half of a big Monday night game at Denver in 1994. If it takes putting one of your blossoming stars on the 3rd string in camp to get his and the team's attitude right then so be it. I seriously doubt that he will still be that far down on the depth chart by mid season.

The aging LBers worry me a bit for the same reasons. However I believe that we have upgraded that position by far. So, perhaps it is worth the gamble.

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I am concerned about the age of our WRs. They tend to lose a lot of the speed and athleticism necessary to compete in the NFL. The really good ones make up for that by using their experience and technique. If we're lucky, these guys might be able to do that. Still does not make me very confident.

Bobby Engram has NEVER had speed. He didn't come here to be a downfield threat, anyway.

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Goff was good enough to start for a division winner last year. There are some REALLY crappy linemen out there. You act like every team is lining up with a bunch of all-pros.

Yeah, last year, Clay. The Chargers released him, didn't they? Oh, and did you forget about the part where Goff couldn't pass the conditioning test? Nice.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

So? He proved he could make plays. He's not Kolby Smith or Dantrell Savage. The guy has talent and has used it to success on an NFL field. He's a legit backup RB and threat out of the backfield. You're completely minimizing him to NOTHING and that's garbage.

Until he proves that he can stay on the field and stay healthy, he's nothing. He may be fast and he may be shifty, but that doesn't mean a thing if you're constantly in the tub.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

Bobby Engram isn't Bruce or Muhammed. He was NEVER a speed receiver or deep threat. He's a possession receiver that's 36 years old. He was released by a 4-12 team, only to sign with a 2-14 team. That should tell you something about his value.

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the entire season, let alone makes the team.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The Chiefs had COMPLETE TRASH on the defensive line last year. They got run the hell over. Magee and Jackson, if they are who Pioli thinks they are, aren't complete trash. Pretty simple.

It's not simple. JFC! How is it simple? They're ROOKIES. They're playing in a new defense with a couple of ancient linebackers behind them. They've NEVER played 16 games in a season (let alone 20, with preseason). There's a learning curve involved by everyone on this defense.

Simple? Ha!

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

As far as Thomas and Vrabel, yes, they could get hurt. ANYONE can get hurt. If they stay healthy, they'll improve the run defense, and Vrabel will improve the pass rush. There's no question about that. None at ALL. The Chiefs were bottom of the barrel in those areas last year.

IF? IF? See, you don't get it. For the Chiefs to win 4 games, there can't be ANY "IF'S". NO injuries. NO missed field goals. NO losses in the turnover battle. NO stupid mistakes.

IF the Chiefs don't play perfect football, they're going to lose. Hell, they could play a perfect football game and still lose because of their inferior talent. Teams like the Ravens, Steelers and Giants will just move their offenses up and down the field at will against the Chiefs defense. Defenses like the Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Eagles and Chargers will constantly bring pressure against Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh.

It's going to be a very ugly season.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, last year, Clay. The Chargers released him, didn't they? Oh, and did you forget about the part where Goff couldn't pass the conditioning test? Nice.

So? I don't really see those things as relevant. Good teams release good players all the time. The conditioning test is a joke. He's a 330-pound lineman.

Until he proves that he can stay on the field and stay healthy, he's nothing. He may be fast and he may be shifty, but that doesn't mean a thing if you're constantly in the tub.

You're reaching here. Charles played in all 16 games last year. You're making him out to be Kolby Smith. He's a threat.

Bobby Engram isn't Bruce or Muhammed. He was NEVER a speed receiver or deep threat. He's a possession receiver that's 36 years old. He was released by a 4-12 team, only to sign with a 2-14 team. That should tell you something about his value.

And neither was Muhammad. Engram was brought in to be a slot receiver and move the chains. If he stays healthy there is NO REASON he can't be a valuable asset to the team. He's not Jeff Webb.

It's not simple. JFC! How is it simple? They're ROOKIES. They're playing in a new defense with a couple of ancient linebackers behind them. They've NEVER played 16 games in a season (let alone 20, with preseason). There's a learning curve involved by everyone on this defense.

They're still more talented than sacks of garbage like McBride and Pat Thomas. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me Tyson Jackson is going to be as bad as Turk McBride and Zach Thomas is going to be as bad as Pat Thomas. Come on.

IF? IF? See, you don't get it. For the Chiefs to win 4 games, there can't be ANY "IF'S". NO injuries. NO missed field goals. NO losses in the turnover battle. NO stupid mistakes.

That's absolutely ridiculous. The Chiefs had a shit load of problems last year and could have won 4 games, perhaps even 6, if they had been better coached and had a better quarterback.

Teams like the Ravens, Steelers and Giants will just move their offenses up and down the field at will against the Chiefs defense.

How do you know? We know nothing about those teams. Joe Flacco could go completely in the tank this year. The Steelers still have a terrible line and the Giants lost Plaxico Burress.

Defenses like the Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Eagles and Chargers will constantly bring pressure against Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh.

So? You act like Matt Cassel wasn't under pressure last year. He was under TREMENDOUS PRESSURE.

It's going to be a very ugly season.

Probably. I still don't see why they can't win 7 games. If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to 11-5, the Chiefs can go from 2-14 to 7-9.

This is the NFL. Quick turnarounds happen ALL THE TIME.

ALL. THE. TIME.