Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 9

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

The potential is the 10+ players the Chiefs drafted last year plus Piolis draft picks. The difference between Carl and Pioli is Pioli will sign free agents that actually contribute and draft players that actually will contribute.

Pioli's draft record isn't exactly impeccable, and it's not like all of Carl's selections were bombs.

And the move to the 3-4 has the potential to kill the Dorsey pick...

Chiefnj2 · 08-15-2009, 12:50 PM

If KC didn't take Cassel, there would have been movement up to the #2 spot for Sanchez. It isn't a foregone conclusion that he'd be at 3 for KC.

Sanchez looked good. He made some nice throws, but didn't face much pressure.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If KC didn't take Cassel, there would have been movement up to the #2 spot for Sanchez. It isn't a foregone conclusion that he'd be at 3 for KC.

Sanchez looked good. He made some nice throws, but didn't face much pressure.

Maybe.

But someone would have had to forfeit their draft to move that much. The team in the best position to make that move was...KC.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If KC didn't take Cassel, there would have been movement up to the #2 spot for Sanchez. It isn't a foregone conclusion that he'd be at 3 for KC.

Sanchez looked good. He made some nice throws, but didn't face much pressure.

As mecca correctly pointed out earlier in the thread, the cost of moving up to the #2 spot in the draft for the teams that need a QB was just too exorbitant.

It is extremely unlikely that anyone would have moved ahead of the Chiefs.

MoreLemonPledge · 08-15-2009, 01:02 PM

The song that doesn't end.

Circumstances are completely different. No way of telling who would do what where. We could guess and turn it into a pissing match, but it is what it is.

KCBOSS1 · 08-15-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Easy..... Cassel was at USC behind two great QB's.... Sanchez came along when the QB talent at USC was not as good.

Cassel has had one year of success in the NFL. Sanchez has had one year of success in college.

Both were on teams that were largely superior in talent.

Both could be great.... both could be busts.

Sanchez was a first round pick with one year of success at the college level.

Cassel was a second round pick with one year of success at the NFL level.

Sanchez would have taken the Chiefs top ten pick and they could have gotten a guy like Ron Brace in the second round.

Cassel allowed the Chiefs to get a franchise QB (they think) and the best 3-4 End in the draft.

Oh, and Pioli had known one and worked with one for several years and knew him better than any GM could EVER know any draft pick.

Now, how it will turn out is anybody's guess. But, for anyone to act like it wasn't an informed well thought decision is silly.

Yes... I know... the chiefs 'devalued' their pick, and paid a 3-4 end to much money. Perhaps. Who cares.

If Tyson Jackson goes on to be a Richard Seymour guy... will anyone complain that he was drafted 'too high'?

Cassel and Sanchez are forever linked. I get it. But, based on the information at hand at the time of the decision, I think the Chiefs made the prudent choice. Not the 'sexy' choice. Maybe not even the 'best' choice in the long run.

But, with a franchise that is going down the drain quickly.... we need less 'potential' and more production.

This

**the Talking Can** · 08-15-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

I think he means those teams build through the draft where as the Patriots build through free agency.

that is hilarious....again, such an over simplification.....

but people need these kind of not-true-but-sounds-good lines to have something to argue about....

**the Talking Can** · 08-15-2009, 01:15 PM

and the chargers haven't won shit, the Colts have underachieved with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the Giants have one title....won against the Pats

i'll take the "Pats way" and their dynasty any day...as would any sane person...

only on chiefsplanet could people complain about the "pat's way" compared to the "charger's way"

milkman · 08-15-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

that is hilarious....again, such an over simplification.....

but people need these kind of not-true-but-sounds-good lines to have something to argue about....

That's true.

The Chargers have built through the draft, but when they started the process, they signed guys like Steve Foley, Donnie Edwards, Roman Oben, and others to kick start the rebuild when John Butler started out.

As the years have passed, they've replenished the talent pool through the draft.

The Steelers and Colts started in much the same way, but they've been in the upper echelon for so long that no one remembers how they started.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

and the chargers haven't won shit, the Colts have underachieved with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the Giants have one title....won against the Pats

i'll take the "Pats way" and their dynasty any day...as would any sane person...

only on chiefsplanet could people complain about the "pat's way" compared to the "charger's way"

As to the Giants, I'm still not convinced that Eli Manning is more than a game manager.

**the Talking Can** · 08-15-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's true.

The Chargers have built through the draft, but when they started the process, they signed guys like Steve Foley, Donnie Edwards, Roman Oben, and others to kick start the rebuild when John Butler started out.

As the years have passed, they've replenished the talent pool through the draft.

The Steelers and Colts started in much the same way, but they've been in the upper echelon for so long that no one remembers how they started.

the giants wouldn't have a title without FA - Kawika Mitchell....oh yeah, and that other guy, um, burress, or something...

the pats DRAFTED Brady and Seymour and many others....and the larger point is this:

the Pats have 3 titles, the Chargers have 0....
Pats 3, the giants 1
Pats 3, the colts 1

Pats in 4 superbowls...Colts, Giants, Chargers combined in only 2....again, I'll gladly "settle" for the "Pat's way"....

**the Talking Can** · 08-15-2009, 01:34 PM

and if the Colts had brought in better FA's on defense they might have more titles

it is great to say, "gee everyone on our team is a draft pick!"

but when the reality is that your defense sucks balls for years and wastes the best seasons of your one-in-a-life-time QB, I'm not sure you should really be so proud of that....

milkman · 08-15-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

the giants wouldn't have a title without FA - Kawika Mitchell....oh yeah, and that other guy, um, burress, or something...

the pats DRAFTED Brady and Seymour and many others....and the larger point is this:

the Pats have 3 titles, the Chargers have 0....
Pats 3, the giants 1
Pats 3, the colts 1

Pats in 4 superbowls...Colts, Giants, Chargers combined in only 2....again, I'll gladly "settle" for the "Pat's way"....

To me, what it comes down to is coaching, QB and defense.

As stated earlier, I'm not sold on Eli, the Chargers have stepped up to the plate with Norvel, and the worst playoff coach ever, Marty, the Colts have been led by one of the most overrated coaches of all time in Tony Dungy, and fileded a mediocre defense through most of the decade.

Meanwhile, the Pats have been led by a ruthless coach, a great QB who has been clutch more often than not, and a stallwart defense for much of the decade.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 01:37 PM

The Pats' way? The Colts' way? The Chargers' way?

I have no idea wtf any of these things mean. Are we really debating the need both to draft well and use FA appropriately?

Brilliant.

It would take a Herm Edwards to argue otherwise.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

and if the Colts had brought in better FA's on defense they might have more titles

it is great to say, "gee everyone on our team is a draft pick!"

but when the reality is that your defense sucks balls for years and wastes the best seasons of your one-in-a-life-time QB, I'm not sure you should really be so proud of that....

Peyton Manning might be a once in a lifetime QB, but his playoff perfomance, for the most part, have been fairly mundane.

Even when they won a SB, Manning's performance was rather mediocre, overall.

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