Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 12

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

Titty Meat · 08-15-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Show of hands everyone.

Who thinks it's unfortunate that I post here?

Who thinks it's unfortunate that billay (What, too stupid to spell Billy correctly?) posts here.

The fact that you need to be told you aren't a doucherocket speaks volumes.

And you think I'm a dumbass why do you reply to just about all my comments? Learn to use the ignore or go home.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-15-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Yea I don't know shit about football. The 5th overall pick was apart of the 32nd defense which included a record low in sacks and one of the worst run defense in which teams ran right up the middle where the 5th overall pick plays.

Yes, I'm laughing AT you...

milkman · 08-15-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

The fact that you need to be told you aren't a doucherocket speaks volumes.

And you think I'm a dumbass why do you reply to just about all my comments? Learn to use the ignore or go home.

It is my job to point out dumbassery when I see it.

I have never used ignore, and don't intend to.

And if you are so ****ing stupid that you think I'm seeking the board's approval, then you are even more ****ing stupid than I already thought you were.

That post wasn't seeking approval.
I'm an asshole and don't have any other illusions about myself.

You, on the other hand.....

JD10367 · 08-15-2009, 02:38 PM

Kinda hard to discuss how good or bad Dirty Sanchez is when he's yet to take a real snap. How he looks in camp is irrelevant.

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-15-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That post wasn't seeking approval.
I'm an asshole and don't have any other illusions about myself.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Brady, Cassel, Warren, Seymour,ect weren't that great. ****ing moron.

Dorsey was a bust anyway get over it.

WTF?

.

Leave for a little bit, and this is what happens. Anyway, OTW provided all the evidence needed.

This belief that Pioli is a drafting god is pretty humorous. The Brady draft, without winning the ****ing world lottery in the 6th, was a complete ****ing disaster.

But, other than that, Pioli's perfect.

**Reaper16** · 08-15-2009, 02:47 PM

Billay is a colossal ****ing moron. Absurdly criticizing milkman's posting only ranks in the top 20 of stupid shit he's said, amazingly enough.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And here's where we disagree.

The franchise isn't going down the drain; it's already been flushed. The roster is largely devoid of top talent, and people forget just how hard it is to go 2-14. That's impressive suck.

So now's the time to take risks for big returns. In all facets of the game, we need to try to take the players with the most potential to enable long-term success at the highest levels.

And this is why people were somewhat aggravated with the influx of players like Toomer, Engram, Vrabel, etc. Where's the potential? Yes, the immediate production might be better than alternative B, but to what and where are we building?

First, I do not believe this team is devoid of talent. In fact, guys like Dj and Dorsey are hugely talented.

I think some of that will show with better coaching.

I also believe that the QB position is the most important on the team. I do not believe it is a must to have a HOF QB to win games, but you need a steady dependable consistent guy.

I believe that one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason for the Chiefs horrible record over the last two years is the inconsistency at QB.

Not only the inconsistency in the QB playing, but the actual starter from week to week changed as much as any team in the league it seemed.

Talent is only one aspect of production. Then, you have the system, you have the coaching, and you have veteran leadership to help the players grow and learn.

The guys you mentioned will do as much to build this team as anyone. Because they are the examples to show the guys how to do it.

They are the leaders who will hold the younger players accountable.

Their 'imprint' on the development of the young players on this team will be felt for years to come.

I am all for going young. But, when things are as bad as they are for this franchise, you need to start working things in the right direction because losing becomes habitual.

And, there is a reason so many top draft picks at QB fail.... they go to sucka$$ teams with a losing culture and lesser talent.

Cassel will be part of the leadership that rights the ship... NO rookie can do that.... not even Sanchez.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the Parcells symptom, these guys when they come in their goal is to win 8 games the first year so they can make all the players buy in, even if it means getting a ton of old guys to do it.

Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the Colts/Chargers/Giants approach but hey you get what you get.

The big thing you ignore here is that the Colts drafting Manning.... a multi year starter and very successful player.

The Chargers drafted Rivers, a multi year starter and very successful player.

The Giants drafter the other Manning, again, a mult year starter and successful player.

Other than maybe Peyton, these guys were not on teams with clearly superior talent to those around them.

And, none of them played in the weak Pac 10 against substandard competition.

Other than Stafford, there was no QB in this draft that would compare to those three coming out of college.

That is the difference.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh probably unless you wanted Tyler Thigpen...

Basically they'll be tied because Sanchez was the QB there at the Chiefs pick they chose Cassel over Sanchez, it'll bear out if it was the right move or not so they'll be tied together.

Tyson Jackson will figure in but he's a very marginal piece to whether you were right or not on QB.

But there was no guarantee that they would. They may have... they may have picked up a Garcia type of player to hold them over until a better QB prospect was available, if they didn't like Sanchez.

milkman · 08-15-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

But there was no guarantee that they would. They may have... they may have picked up a Garcia type of player to hold them over until a better QB prospect was available, if they didn't like Sanchez.

We don't know what they might have done if they hadn't traded for Cassel, but the fact is, we know that Sanchez was ther at #3, and the perception will be that we passed on Sanchez in favor of trading for Cassel.

It may not be the reality of the situation.
We will never know.

But as they say, perception is reality.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

After starting 1 young QB and having it result in horrible things it seems a portion of our fan base had had enough of that and was ready to go back to vets.

That's unfair. Some would just like a little longer college resume.

Not to mention, if my team is going to draft a QB top five... I want him to be a prototypical game changing type of QB. I want a strong arm.

Stafford would have been great, strong arm and a long resume proving that he can overcome difficulties.

Sanchez struggled to win the starting job and then was on a team vastly superior to those other teams in the Pac 10.

Sanchez may turn out to be great, but if I am picking a QB top five, I want more.

I think Cassel has similar physical ability, plus a year starting in the NFL, a history of persistence to overcome adversity, and a proven work ethic.

All at a lesser draft and paycheck price. (given that their contracts are similar now, and Sahnchez would have gotten more at the #3 spot)

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We don't know what they might have done if they hadn't traded for Cassel, but the fact is, we know that Sanchez was ther at #3, and the perception will be that we passed on Sanchez in favor of trading for Cassel.

It may not be the reality of the situation.
We will never know.

But as they say, perception is reality.

I understand, but I think it is false to assume that the Chiefs front office had Sanchez rated as high as Mecca does.

Mr. Laz · 08-15-2009, 03:40 PM

Matt Stafford looking pretty dam good for Detroit against Atlanta.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Those 3 QB's at the top will forever be linked....for the Lions it's all 3...for the Chiefs it's 2 and for the Jets it's this guy is it or it didn't work out.

If Sanchez ends up being the guy that's the best both Chiefs and Lions fans will talk about the blunder of 09.

Absolutely true. And, if Sanchez bombs... won't the Jets fans regret not paying more attention to the 'questions'?

Anytime a pick fails, fan lament the choice...even if the majority of them agreed at the time.

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