Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 3

**Slainte** · 08-15-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shammus

Well to elaborate, Thigpen has very little value to us but would have value to a team running the spread. My comment from earlier assumes that Gutierrez will eventually beat him out for the #3 QB spot. Given Gutierrez's history with Pioli and experience in this offense, this is a very realistic possibility. My thoughts on trading him involve us parting with him before too much time passes so that other teams don't pick up on the fact that he might not make our team, therefore, he'd still have some tradevalue based upon performance last year. But yes, you're right, no one will give us anything for him if it's three days before final roster cutdown and Gutierrez has already moved ahead of him on the depth chart.

Hope that makes more sense....

It does, thanks. What confuses me is that Gutierrez was cut by the Pats for that scrub Andrew Walter. How good could he possibly be? (Gutierrez, I mean)

shammus · 08-15-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Town'NCountryChief

It does, thanks. What confuses me is that Gutierrez was cut by the Pats for that scrub Andrew Walter. How good could he possibly be? (Gutierrez, I mean)

You know, that sort of baffled me too. At this point last year, I thought I remember hearing that Gutierrez was actually ahead of Cassel on the depth chart or that some people in New England thought he would make a better backup. Gutierrez just turned 25, maybe the Patriots wanted a more experienced QB, where as KC was happy to land a QB who had experience in the offense they were looking to install?

orange · 08-15-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shammus

The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in."

The Chiefs' radio guys said it was Albert, too, so you're right.

TRR · 08-15-2009, 11:21 PM

Watching the game over again quickly, there were a few things that jumped out at me...

* LJ missed a HUGE hole on the first drive when Gailey dialed up a draw play. There was a cutback lane with Darling coming down to crack back, and LJ completely missed it. He would still be running.

* Devard Darling set up wrong on the WR slip screen. He came in motion, and should have stopped right where he ended in motion. Instead he came back inside to the ball, and got caught up with the LB's. If he would have stayed outside, he most likely would have picked up the 10+ yards and then some. Instead, it was a short gain.

* Cassell missed Mike Cox short for a first down on his roll out right to avoid pressure. Cox came open very late, and would have been an easier pass for Cassell hitting Cox on the run rather than hitting Ryan on the sideline...which he dropped. Still a good play by Cassell.

* The defense got good pressure. Especially Hali, Dorsey and Jackson. Mays was magnificent, and McGee kept showing up all over the place. The frustrating play for me was the long 3rd and 10 Houston converted. Re-watching, It was actually decent D in which Houston had the perfect O call on to pick up the first down.
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chiefbowe82 · 08-15-2009, 11:19 PM

was engram/toomer playing tonight?

shammus · 08-15-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefbowe82

was engram/toomer playing tonight?

Great question...I wondered about this too. I didn't see either on the field, ever. I saw Engram give Thigpen a pat on the back after his TD pass so it was clear to me that he at least suited up. I never saw Toomer at all.

I wonder if tonight's game will push Haley into a decision, one way or another on whether or not to sign Ashley Lelie....

TRR · 08-15-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shammus

Great question...I wondered about this too. I didn't see either on the field, ever. I saw Engram give Thigpen a pat on the back after his TD pass so it was clear to me that he at least suited up. I never saw Toomer at all.

I wonder if tonight's game will push Haley into a decision, one way or another on whether or not to sign Ashley Lelie....

Engram played with the first team on a couple of occasions, running underneath routes. The #1 O just didn't throw the ball very much.

Toomer #13 was suited up on the sideline, but I never actually saw him enter the game.
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**Buehler445** · 08-15-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Town'NCountryChief

It does, thanks. What confuses me is that Gutierrez was cut by the Pats for that scrub Andrew Walter. How good could he possibly be? (Gutierrez, I mean)

Andrew Walter isn't horrid. He's got some talent. He was just infested with the Oakland suck.

**Slainte** · 08-15-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Andrew Walter isn't horrid.

I don't know, dude. I saw him in several Raider pre-season games and he blew dead bear chunks...not impressive.

Tiger's Fan · 08-15-2009, 11:44 PM

A few observations:

Niswanger looks overmatched at center on every play. The other center, cuharic (sp), isn't worth learning how to spell his name, and should be on the street.

Pollard continues to be a major liability in coverage, and the LBers aren't getting enough of a drop in coverage.

It's silly to think that Bowe won't be starting game one. Message sent and received.

Croyle should be solidly #2. Yes, he's an injury waiting to happen, but in the meantime, he has a rocket arm with good accuracy.

We need a lot more consistency with ST coverage and returns. Garbage.

On the whole, the D looked decent, but I'm concerned with the play of all our safties.

These are the things to pay attention to in a preseason game, ladies, not the final score.

chiefbowe82 · 08-15-2009, 11:54 PM

Our oline as a whole looked like shit LJ was fighting to get back past the line of scrimmage, not sure why copper/darling started. Cassell was in quite a few series but never really got an opportunity to show himself, he made a couple nice throws. Succop looked impressive strong leg, I have a gut feeling he's going to be special for us. Bowe, toomer, engram, bradley should all be above copper/darling. colquitt had a nice punt. lbers weren't dropping enough in coverage. I seen the chiefs of last year getting gashed run after run for 8 yards while not getting out of the backfield on offense. shaub was 7/7 against us. we showed a couple flashes defensively. flowers did good against their second string struggled against the first. thigpen is a better runner than passer.

Ultra Peanut · 08-16-2009, 07:51 AM

Time to buy a Succop jersey.

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 08:14 AM

imo, the OL looked like last year: good to stong on the left side, below average to bad on the right...lj looked fine but it still seems like he's in a hurry and misses holes...

DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything?

Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far....

LBs made some plays but don't appear to be able to cover yet, will be a problem all year i imagine...Mays certainly stood out, need to see it continue...

I think Jackson looked strong but couldn't really tell with the pixelated feed

Flowers = Total Bad Ass...we need one of him at every level of the defense

Cassel was fine despite everyone's concern trolling...his passes were on target and if our back up WRs could catch we'd have gone some where...his scramble and pass to Ryan was nice, composed play...

Croyle looked solid, but can never quite seal the deal...very surprised to see him bounce back from the knee injury so fast

thigpen's talent is best displayed in the 4th quarters of preseason games...

our fg kicker has a leg stronger than the octomom's vag...

Bowe looked good and focused and no bs....he'll be first team soon if he isn't as we speak....point received...the concern trolling on this has been hilarious (see mecca, gamethread or whitlock)

Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point

pretty much what we we thought was a problem coming in was a problem: WR, NT, right side OL...

vanilla stuff, from which I learned - according to chiefs fans - that a) Thigpen should start b) Haley doesn't know Bowe is a good WR c) our offense is just like Herm's d) and that you can grade play calling in a preseason game....all in all a fine table setting for the season..

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:24 AM

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DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything?

Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far....

Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

Dorsey is getting penetration pretty consistently, even though he's getting double teams quite a bit.

Ron Edwards is absolute horseshit.

08-15-2009, 11:21 PM	#4
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	Watching the game over again quickly, there were a few things that jumped out at me... * LJ missed a HUGE hole on the first drive when Gailey dialed up a draw play. There was a cutback lane with Darling coming down to crack back, and LJ completely missed it. He would still be running. * Devard Darling set up wrong on the WR slip screen. He came in motion, and should have stopped right where he ended in motion. Instead he came back inside to the ball, and got caught up with the LB's. If he would have stayed outside, he most likely would have picked up the 10+ yards and then some. Instead, it was a short gain. * Cassell missed Mike Cox short for a first down on his roll out right to avoid pressure. Cox came open very late, and would have been an easier pass for Cassell hitting Cox on the run rather than hitting Ryan on the sideline...which he dropped. Still a good play by Cassell. * The defense got good pressure. Especially Hali, Dorsey and Jackson. Mays was magnificent, and McGee kept showing up all over the place. The frustrating play for me was the long 3rd and 10 Houston converted. Re-watching, It was actually decent D in which Houston had the perfect O call on to pick up the first down. Posted via Mobile Device
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08-15-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
chiefbowe82 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	was engram/toomer playing tonight?
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08-15-2009, 11:44 PM	#10
Tiger's Fan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ks Casino cash: $10004900	A few observations: Niswanger looks overmatched at center on every play. The other center, cuharic (sp), isn't worth learning how to spell his name, and should be on the street. Pollard continues to be a major liability in coverage, and the LBers aren't getting enough of a drop in coverage. It's silly to think that Bowe won't be starting game one. Message sent and received. Croyle should be solidly #2. Yes, he's an injury waiting to happen, but in the meantime, he has a rocket arm with good accuracy. We need a lot more consistency with ST coverage and returns. Garbage. On the whole, the D looked decent, but I'm concerned with the play of all our safties. These are the things to pay attention to in a preseason game, ladies, not the final score. __________________ Rock Chalk! The San Diego SuperChokers! DaneMcCloud: where cowardice meets dishonesty
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08-15-2009, 11:54 PM	#11
chiefbowe82 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Our oline as a whole looked like shit LJ was fighting to get back past the line of scrimmage, not sure why copper/darling started. Cassell was in quite a few series but never really got an opportunity to show himself, he made a couple nice throws. Succop looked impressive strong leg, I have a gut feeling he's going to be special for us. Bowe, toomer, engram, bradley should all be above copper/darling. colquitt had a nice punt. lbers weren't dropping enough in coverage. I seen the chiefs of last year getting gashed run after run for 8 yards while not getting out of the backfield on offense. shaub was 7/7 against us. we showed a couple flashes defensively. flowers did good against their second string struggled against the first. thigpen is a better runner than passer.
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08-16-2009, 07:51 AM	#12
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08-16-2009, 08:14 AM	#13
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9092208	imo, the OL looked like last year: good to stong on the left side, below average to bad on the right...lj looked fine but it still seems like he's in a hurry and misses holes... DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything? Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far.... LBs made some plays but don't appear to be able to cover yet, will be a problem all year i imagine...Mays certainly stood out, need to see it continue... I think Jackson looked strong but couldn't really tell with the pixelated feed Flowers = Total Bad Ass...we need one of him at every level of the defense Cassel was fine despite everyone's concern trolling...his passes were on target and if our back up WRs could catch we'd have gone some where...his scramble and pass to Ryan was nice, composed play... Croyle looked solid, but can never quite seal the deal...very surprised to see him bounce back from the knee injury so fast thigpen's talent is best displayed in the 4th quarters of preseason games... our fg kicker has a leg stronger than the octomom's vag... Bowe looked good and focused and no bs....he'll be first team soon if he isn't as we speak....point received...the concern trolling on this has been hilarious (see mecca, gamethread or whitlock) Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point pretty much what we we thought was a problem coming in was a problem: WR, NT, right side OL... vanilla stuff, from which I learned - according to chiefs fans - that a) Thigpen should start b) Haley doesn't know Bowe is a good WR c) our offense is just like Herm's d) and that you can grade play calling in a preseason game....all in all a fine table setting for the season.. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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