Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 4

shammus · 10:22 PM

Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically -

The Good

Offense
Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too.
First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though.
Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield.
Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though)

Defense
Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker?
Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles
Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield
Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though....
Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th
Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed

Special Teams
Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain.

The Bad

Offense
The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in.
The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game.
I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit.
The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped.
Did Toomer or Engram even play??

Defense
Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier
Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT??

Ugh.....for Chrissakes....
Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain.
Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one...
Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm....

beach tribe · 08-16-2009, 08:29 AM

Can someone tell me where Hali was lined up, and how he looked?

The can mentioned that he looked better than expected, can someone elaborate?

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Dorsey is getting penetration pretty consistently, even though he's getting double teams quite a bit.

Ron Edwards is absolute horseshit.

are you waching it again?

what do you think of the OL from center to RT?

**cdcox** · 08-16-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Can someone tell me where Hali was lined up, and how he looked?

The can mentioned that he looked better than expected, can someone elaborate?

The last two runs on the scoring drive went right over him.

riskrevival · 08-16-2009, 08:34 AM

it looks like more of a 4-3 under than an actual 3-4, they still have 4 guys come to the line just one dude stands. So it's still like Hali is playing DE.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Can someone tell me where Hali was lined up, and how he looked?

The can mentioned that he looked better than expected, can someone elaborate?

Umm. I think most of the time he is on the left. I need to pay better attention, but he looks much much faster. Been getting in the backfield more consistently. Hasn't been run over as of yet.

KCUnited · 08-16-2009, 08:40 AM

Hali also accounted for a 5 yard offsides penalty and finished the game with a couple tackles. He did look quicker and more disruptive with the rush than he did playing end.

beach tribe · 08-16-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Umm. I think most of the time he is on the left. I need to pay better attention, but he looks much much faster. Been getting in the backfield more consistently. Hasn't been run over as of yet.

cdcox disagrees.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

are you waching it again?

what do you think of the OL from center to RT?

This is my first time watching it, and I'm focusing specifically on Dorey and Edwards on defense, and Albert and MacIntosh on offense.

I'm recording it so I can focus on different players at another time.

What I've seen to this point is that Dorsey is hitting the B gap, and really giving Hali opportunities to make plays from his standup OLB position.

Edwards is absolute dogcrap.

Albert doen't look quite as strong as he did before he lost the weight, but still has the quick feet.

And MacIntosh looks a little quicker, but is still the suck overall.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

The last two runs on the scoring drive went right over him.

I could be wrong. I need to pay better attention.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Umm. I think most of the time he is on the left. I need to pay better attention, but he looks much much faster. Been getting in the backfield more consistently. Hasn't been run over as of yet.

hali and Vrabel have been flip flopping quite a bit.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

The last two runs on the scoring drive went right over him.

Hali is still a weak run defender at the point of attack, but he has looked quicker and faster, and shown some speed in backside pursuit.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is my first time watching it, and I'm focusing specifically on Dorey and Edwards on defense, and Albert and MacIntosh on offense.

I'm recording it so I can focus on different players at another time.

What I've seen to this point is that Dorsey is hitting the B gap, and really giving Hali opportunities to make plays from his standup OLB position.

Edwards is absolute dogcrap.

Albert doen't look quite as strong as he did before he lost the weight, but still has the quick feet.

And MacIntosh looks a little quicker, but is still the suck overall.

The other thing I will add about Hali is that I have not seen him in coverage. Any reason Tyler isn't in there? Is Edwards....better?.....

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

hali and Vrabel have been flip flopping quite a bit.

Yeah, his offside penalty

was from the right.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

The other thing I will add about Hali is that I have not seen him in coverage. Any reason Tyler isn't in there? Is Edwards....better?.....

I don't know.

I plan on watching Tyler when the second unit is on.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:50 AM

JackieBattle has much better vision than LJ.

08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically - The Good Offense Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too. First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though. Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield. Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though) Defense Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker? Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though.... Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed Special Teams Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain. The Bad Offense The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in. The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game. I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit. The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped. Did Toomer or Engram even play?? Defense Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT?? Ugh.....for Chrissakes.... Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain. Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one... Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm.... Last edited by shammus; 08-15-2009 at 10:22 PM..
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08-16-2009, 08:29 AM	#46
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