Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 7

shammus · 10:22 PM

Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically -

The Good

Offense
Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too.
First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though.
Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield.
Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though)

Defense
Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker?
Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles
Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield
Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though....
Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th
Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed

Special Teams
Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain.

The Bad

Offense
The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in.
The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game.
I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit.
The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped.
Did Toomer or Engram even play??

Defense
Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier
Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT??

Ugh.....for Chrissakes....
Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain.
Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one...
Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm....

Coogs · 08-16-2009, 10:26 AM

That 3rd down play by the Texans in the middle of the Stu Stram interview must have been the 2-4-5 set we have been hearing about. Tyler was the RDT, and McGee was the LDT. Both did a nice job with their double teams as McGee held his ground, and Tyler moved his two guys back. The Texans ran up the middle for 5 yard gain or so, but had it been a pass, Tyler was making a good push up the middle.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I thought Bradley made some nice catches.

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Originally Posted by milkman

Mark Bradley played pretty well, also.

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Actually I'm really happy that you agree with me.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:28 AM

I am confident in Herb's ability to pass block, not sure about run blocking. To be a RT, you have to be a road grader Im not so sure I see him as that.

Coogs · 08-16-2009, 10:29 AM

They ran the 2-4-5 on the next 3rd and 7 as well. Don't know if we ran this defense earlier in the game or not, but I just happened to notice it on those two occasions.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:32 AM

We have 2 players on this team that i and probably many others feel confident about, Mark Bradley, and Mike Brown.

If those two guys are healthy, clearly, they are better then what we currently have starting at those positions.

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-16-2009, 10:32 AM

Didn't get to watch the game last night but been watching the replay on NFLN.

Offense was never on the same page. Very vanilla playcalling.

MC had some good throws. He looked fairly well in this new setup given the rainy conditions. He just needs WRs to catch is passes.

Bowe, Bradley, and Copper made some solid catches. I think Bowe got the message. He made some great catches in the rain. He needs to be on the starting offense next week.

Running game moved the ball.

Our Defense looked the most improved since last year. Houston* couldn't run the ball against them. Some sloppy plays earned the D gassers during practice.

Look forward to seeing this team next week in person.

Grade C+/B-

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I am confident in Herb's ability to pass block, not sure about run blocking. To be a RT, you have to be a road grader Im not so sure I see him as that.

He's better than McIntosh at moving people.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

We have 2 players on this team that i and probably many others feel confident about, Mark Bradley, and Mike Brown.

If those two guys are healthy, clearly, they are better then what we currently have starting at those positions.

Brown did nothing.

I was much more impressed with Pollard and Page. There were no missed tackles that I saw. Pollard was limping hard and still was getting his nose in there.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I am confident in Herb's ability to pass block, not sure about run blocking. To be a RT, you have to be a road grader Im not so sure I see him as that.

We all understand that you want a road grader at RT, but at this point we don't have that.

Herb Taylor, right now is more effective, both as a run blocker and in pass protection, than Damion McSuckoff.

You go with the best that you have, even if he isn't ideal for the position.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Brown did nothing.

I was much more impressed with Pollard and Page. There were no missed tackles that I saw. Pollard was limping hard and still was getting his nose in there.

i think Pollard will improve. Im not a big fan of page. He takes a lot of bad angles and whiffs a lot of tackles. That was the case last year, his athletic ability and ability to cover ground is awesome, but to miss tackles and take bad angles are whats preventing him from being a really good safety.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Brown did nothing.

I was much more impressed with Pollard and Page. There were no missed tackles that I saw. Pollard was limping hard and still was getting his nose in there.

This.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We all understand that you want a road grader at RT, but at this point we don't have that.

Herb Taylor, right now is more effective, both as a run blocker and in pass protection, than Damion McSuckoff.

You go with the best that you have, even if he isn't ideal for the position.

That's pretty much the way I feel and have been arguing about since last season.

I am disappointed that they had to move Richardson to LT.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We all understand that you want a road grader at RT, but at this point we don't have that.

Herb Taylor, right now is more effective, both as a run blocker and in pass protection, than Damion McSuckoff.

You go with the best that you have, even if he isn't ideal for the position.

thats true. im surprised he is not starting when clearly he should be.

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

i think Pollard will improve. Im not a big fan of page. He takes a lot of bad angles and whiffs a lot of tackles. That was the case last year, his athletic ability and ability to cover ground is awesome, but to miss tackles and take bad angles are whats preventing him from being a really good safety.

I understand that. But I also get tired of hearing that he is trash and that Brown is head and shoulders above P&P. It may end up that way, but it was not evident on the field yesterday.

EDIT: Note that I am not suggesting you are one of the empty cans that endlessly hates on P&P. I just thought P&P had a nice game.

RedThat · 08-16-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I understand that. But I also get tired of hearing that he is trash and that Brown is head and shoulders above P&P. It may end up that way, but it was not evident on the field yesterday.

Page and pollard have to show consistency. Thats the key right there.

if they do that, they'll be the starters. if not, mike brown can come in play...I just want some stability at the safety position. We haven't had that in a long time.

08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically - The Good Offense Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too. First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though. Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield. Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though) Defense Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker? Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though.... Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed Special Teams Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain. The Bad Offense The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in. The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game. I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit. The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped. Did Toomer or Engram even play?? Defense Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT?? Ugh.....for Chrissakes.... Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain. Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one... Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm.... Last edited by shammus; 08-15-2009 at 10:22 PM..
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08-16-2009, 10:26 AM	#91
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2335651	That 3rd down play by the Texans in the middle of the Stu Stram interview must have been the 2-4-5 set we have been hearing about. Tyler was the RDT, and McGee was the LDT. Both did a nice job with their double teams as McGee held his ground, and Tyler moved his two guys back. The Texans ran up the middle for 5 yard gain or so, but had it been a pass, Tyler was making a good push up the middle.
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08-16-2009, 10:28 AM	#93
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I am confident in Herb's ability to pass block, not sure about run blocking. To be a RT, you have to be a road grader Im not so sure I see him as that.
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08-16-2009, 10:29 AM	#94
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2335651	They ran the 2-4-5 on the next 3rd and 7 as well. Don't know if we ran this defense earlier in the game or not, but I just happened to notice it on those two occasions.
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08-16-2009, 10:32 AM	#95
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	We have 2 players on this team that i and probably many others feel confident about, Mark Bradley, and Mike Brown. If those two guys are healthy, clearly, they are better then what we currently have starting at those positions.
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08-16-2009, 10:32 AM	#96
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $-179474	Didn't get to watch the game last night but been watching the replay on NFLN. Offense was never on the same page. Very vanilla playcalling. MC had some good throws. He looked fairly well in this new setup given the rainy conditions. He just needs WRs to catch is passes. Bowe, Bradley, and Copper made some solid catches. I think Bowe got the message. He made some great catches in the rain. He needs to be on the starting offense next week. Running game moved the ball. Our Defense looked the most improved since last year. Houston* couldn't run the ball against them. Some sloppy plays earned the D gassers during practice. Look forward to seeing this team next week in person. Grade C+/B- __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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