Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game....

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:27 PM

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

I was very disappointed Richardson didn't work out on the Right. I'll continue to argue that Taylor is the best option there, if Richardson is indeed out for RT.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I was very disappointed Richardson didn't work out on the Right. I'll continue to argue that Taylor is the best option there, if Richardson is indeed out for RT.

Well, I wouldn't use the word "disappointed".

He played well on the left side, so like Taylor, it just appears that neither is ideally suited for the right side.

If this were "my" football team, I'd stick Taylor at right tackle and leave him there for the remainder of training camp. I'd demote ScIntosh and tell Taylor that it's his job to lose.

ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 09:42 PM

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ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-16-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

He ****ing sucks and so does Goff.

You were absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Goff.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He ****ing sucks and so does Goff.

You were absolutely, unequivocally wrong about Goff.

One game certainly proves it.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Did you see Mario Williams putting pressure on Cassel? I sure didn't, at least not when he went against McIntosh.

He still can't run block, but I think McIntosh has improved quite a bit in pass protection. That's the only reason he's out there at this point - Haley thinks he's good enough to start, because he can pass protect.

Apparently Haley (and Bill Muir) agree with most of the rest of us.

Hammock Parties · 08-19-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Apparently Haley (and Bill Muir) agree with most of the rest of us.

McIntosh is still #1.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

McIntosh is still #1.

On the depth chart that means absolutely nothing at this point in time.

Barry Richardson is getting snaps with the first team this week, and that's all that matters.

**Buehler445** · 08-19-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I wouldn't use the word "disappointed".

He played well on the left side, so like Taylor, it just appears that neither is ideally suited for the right side.

If this were "my" football team, I'd stick Taylor at right tackle and leave him there for the remainder of training camp. I'd demote ScIntosh and tell Taylor that it's his job to lose.

ScIntosh will not improve. Taylor might.

I've been saying that since LAST offseason. Or maybe it was after he came in for Albert when he was hurt.

Either way, a long ****ing time.

Nice analysis milkman. Much appreciated.
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milkman · 08-19-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris.

Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers.

Just finished rewatching the game, and, yes, I was impressed with the play of both Brown and Harris.

They were both quicker than the guys they replaced, getting out and pulling, and getting into position on a screen.
They handled their blocking assignments without getting double team help in pass protect.
As I noted elsewhere, Brown get clowned on one play in which he gave up a sack, but that was his only real hiccup.

Harris was just flat out impressive for an UDRFA.

Also, in watching the inteerior linemen, I saw that Niswanger did a better job of keeping his backside down at the snap, but he was still slow getting out of his stance and getting up and into position to bolck.
Unfortunately, he is still (marginally) better than Eric Ghiaciuc.

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I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles.

Agreed, though it appears he's going to be given the chance to win the job at RT.

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On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point.

Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle.

Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!

Corey Mays was impressive, and I just can't see how there is any way that Zach Thomas should be starting ahead of him when he finally makes his way out of the tub.

Thomas was clearly on the decline when he was released by the Dolphins, and he wasn't all that good in the Cowboys 34 last year.

DJ showed more consistency in his play in this game than in any game that I can remember.
This scheme appears to be a good fit for him, though I don't know that he will ever play up to his draft position.

Hali was better than expected, but he has a long way to go, and Andy Studebaker looks quicker, faster, more athletic, and seems to have adjusted far more qucikly to the transiton from DE than Hali, not only outshining Hali as a pass rusher, but far more disciplined in run defense, and more fluid in dropping back in pass coverage, though there's still more work there.
I won't be the least bit surprised if he replaces Hali in the starting lineup by the start of the season.

With Dorsey, Jackson, and Magee, it appears we have a solid DE rotation, but Alex Boone was nearly as ineffective at DE as Ron Edwards was at NT.
Tank Tyler outplayed Edwards with the second unit, and should be given an opportunity to line up with the first team
He won't be the answer there, but he doesn't appear to be nearly as big a question.

Our situation at WR appearss to be a fluid situation and a continuing work in progress.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-19-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Just finished rewatching the game, and, yes, I was impressed with the play of both Brown and Harris.

Harris was just flat out impressive for an UDRFA.

I'm glad I wasn't just "seeing" things. It's odd to me that this thread had 126 replies before anyone mentioned the play of Harris & Brown (me).

As for Harris being an UDFA, on one hand, I'm surprised that he was undrafted because he played so damn well but on the other, when guys like Brian Waters and Ryan Lilja are undrafted, it just goes to show that you don't have to spend first or early second day picks on a guard.

I'll be watching both guys closely against Minnesota, though they likely won't see any time against their first team d-line. But, I do want to see consistency and if they both show that, the Chiefs may have part of their future offensive line already in place. I'm pretty stoked about both players, especially Harris because it's been a long time since we've had a good, young, consistent offensive line.

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Also, in watching the inteerior linemen, I saw that Niswanger did a better job of keeping his backside down at the snap, but he was still slow getting out of his stance and getting up and into position to bolck.
Unfortunately, he is still (marginally) better than Eric Ghiaciuc.

I still can't understand why the Chiefs didn't draft a center and move the 'Wanger to guard. He was far more effective as a right guard than as a center. Let's just hope that the Chiefs solidify the right guard position after Friday (whether it be Brown or Goff - And I'm fully against Goff at this point) because maybe some consistent play at right guard will help the 'Wanger, which is something he did not have last year.

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Agreed, though it appears he's going to be given the chance to win the job at RT.

How bizarre is that the Chiefs have three legitimate left tackles, which are at a premium in this league, but yet they can't seem to find a right tackle to save their lives. Tait was the last right tackle to really own the position and even he was originally drafted as a left tackle.

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Corey Mays was impressive, and I just can't see how there is any way that Zach Thomas should be starting ahead of him when he finally makes his way out of the tub. Thomas was clearly on the decline when he was released by the Dolphins, and he wasn't all that good in the Cowboys 34 last year.

If Haley stays true to his word, there's no way that Thomas is a starter. Who knows? He may not even be healthy enough to make the squad and if so, the Chiefs had better be scouring the waiver wire for a backup to Mays.

14 years in the NFL is tough on anyone, espeically a 37 year old linebacker.

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DJ showed more consistency in his play in this game than in any game that I can remember. This scheme appears to be a good fit for him, though I don't know that he will ever play up to his draft position.

I agree, DJ was "better" but there's no way he ever plays to #15 overall. It's just too late. He is most certainly a disappointment but I guess we all need to move beyond his draft status and just hope he stays healthy and consistent.

That's all we can ask for at this point.

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Hali was better than expected, but he has a long way to go, and Andy Studebaker looks quicker, faster, more athletic, and seems to have adjusted far more qucikly to the transiton from DE than Hali, not only outshining Hali as a pass rusher, but far more disciplined in run defense, and more fluid in dropping back in pass coverage, though there's still more work there. I won't be the least bit surprised if he replaces Hali in the starting lineup by the start of the season.

Poor Hali, man. That guy has the work ethic of a champion but just can't seem to overcome his limited athletic ability. Whether it's the start of the season or mid-season, I have a feeling he will begin to see the playing field less and less.

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With Dorsey, Jackson, and Magee, it appears we have a solid DE rotation, but Alex Boone was nearly as ineffective at DE as Ron Edwards was at NT. Tank Tyler outplayed Edwards with the second unit, and should be given an opportunity to line up with the first team
He won't be the answer there, but he doesn't appear to be nearly as big a question.

Tyler must be in the doghouse because I expected him to get the start. He's really the only NT on the roster that has the potential to really help this team, though I think his future is probably not long with the Chiefs. As soon as they bring in someone next year, Tank's either the backup or hits the streets. Unless something dramatic happens, which I doubt.

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Our situation at WR appearss to be a fluid situation and a continuing work in progress.

I expect that to continue through the end of next year's training camp, if not 2011.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm glad I wasn't just "seeing" things. It's odd to me that this thread had 126 replies before anyone mentioned the play of Harris & Brown (me).

As for Harris being an UDFA, on one hand, I'm surprised that he was undrafted because he played so damn well but on the other, when guys like Brian Waters and Ryan Lilja are undrafted, it just goes to show that you don't have to spend first or early second day picks on a guard.

I'll be watching both guys closely against Minnesota, though they likely won't see any time against their first team d-line. But, I do want to see consistency and if they both show that, the Chiefs may have part of their future offensive line already in place. I'm pretty stoked about both players, especially Harris because it's been a long time since we've had a good, young, consistent offensive line.

Give you somthing to think about.

Hypothetically, Brown and Harris show up the same in the next couple of preseason games the way they did against the Texans, Richardson wins the RT job.

What do you do.

You have Niswanger and Ghiaciuc at center, Goff and Waters at guard, Richardson and Albert at the tackles, and Taylor as a backup.

Do you risk putting either Brown or Harris on the PS?
Do you go into the regular season with 10 O-Linemen.

Or do you cut McIntosh and go into the regular season with 9 O-Linemen?

KCUnited · 08-19-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Give you somthing to think about.

Hypothetically, Brown and Harris show up the same in the next couple of preseason games the way they did against the Texans, Richardson wins the RT job.

What do you do.

You have Niswanger and Ghiaciuc at center, Goff and Waters at guard, Richardson and Albert at the tackles, and Taylor as a backup.

Do you risk putting either Brown or Harris on the PS?
Do you go into the regular season with 10 O-Linemen.

Or do you cut McIntosh and go into the regular season with 9 O-Linemen?

I didn't dvr the game and can't remember, but was Harris playing LG? I don't think we can cut McInwhiff as he is 1 of 2 RTs we got. I would say Brown is in competition with Washington for backup RG. Harris in competition with Wade Smith for backup LG.

wasi · 08-19-2009, 12:14 PM

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I would say Brown is in competition with Washington for backup RG.

not much of a competition at this point considering Washington hasn't practiced yet.

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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I was impressed by the second team left and right guards, Colin Brown & Daryl Harris. Harris played very well and could be the eventual replacement for Waters. It's only one preseason game but I liked what I saw quite a bit. He's 6'4, 300, so he's got ideal size. Colin Brown didn't play as "tall" as I expected him to play. I thought that at 6'7, he'd stand out like a sore thumb but he looked like Richardson when they were side by side. I saw no drop off in play when Brown replaced Goff, although Brown played against the 2nd & 3rd teamers. I was pleasantly surprised (and initially, confused) about Richardson on the left side. His pass protection was very good and he did well in the run game. He wasn't nearly as effective on the right side and as someone suggested earlier, it's looking like he should be the primary backup to Albert. Whoda thunk? The Chiefs with three legitimate left tackles. On defense, I was impressed with Corey Mays. He just appeared to be every where. Hali was better than "expected" but I wasn't expecting much. It's very clear that if the Chiefs can't find a reasonable solution at NT that teams will just run us over. Facing backs like Ray Rice, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendenhall and so on really scares me at this point. Dorsey, Jackson and Magee did their jobs but this defense won't be successful and complete without two edge pass rushers, a tough strong safety and most importantly, a nose tackle. Also, I like Wright's potential and look forward to watching his progress in the coming weeks. Any other receiver not named Bowe, Bradley or Wright weren't impressive. And finally, our tight end position sucks ****ing ass. Woo-hoo!
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