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-King- · 08-17-2009, 07:18 PM

A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

OctoberFart · 08-17-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

-King- · 08-17-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

So what do you call Albert?

OctoberFart · 08-17-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

So what do you call Albert?

An unproven commodity.

KCrockaholic · 08-17-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Except KC hasn't got the franchise LT yet. Still a lot to prove.

Our coach would kick the shit out of KC's coach.

AutumnWind would rather have a franchise DE than a franchise QB...But wait they do!!! JaMarcus, to da paddle boat!

OctoberFart · 08-17-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

AutumnWind would rather have a franchise DE than a franchise QB...But wait they do!!! JaMarcus, to da paddle boat!

Really? Where did I say that?

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

A franchise LT + some > Franchise DE.

Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

-King- · 08-17-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

I can't tell, but I do think LT is a little overrated.

QB
DE
LT

Great D starts with good run D, followed by a good pass rush. On most teams, the bulk of the pass rush production comes mostly from one DE. Jared Allen is a crazy good pass rusher who could also play the run. He truly is a guy who accomplishes what he puts his mind to.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

Little to subtle there Dane, you're being sarcastic right?

Absolutely not.

James Harrison. Michael Strahan. Dwight Freeney. Joey Porter. What do they all have in common? Oh yeah, franchise pass rushers. And all Super Bowl winners.

Go back to the 90's with Charles Haley, who rushed the passer for the 49ers and Cowboys.

If you're going to win a Super Bowl in today's NFL, you need a franchise pass rusher, period.

A franchise left tackle is optional.

DJ's left nut · 08-17-2009, 08:37 PM

In a playmaker's league, DE has become the 2nd most important position on the field.

The Chiefs D went from being roughly average to being a laughinstock, one of the 2 worst in the league, despite upgrading or staying the same at every position that wasn't Jared Allen.

Did nobody see last season? And yet they still want to undervalue a franchise DE?

We were worse off for this deal. Did we lose it? Well not really b/c our ****wit GM forced us to do it and we did as well as you have any right to hope for. However, all that did was mitigate the damage. Anyone arguing otherwise really does just look like a homer.

P.S. It's also pretty critical to remember that most folks had the Chiefs taking Albert at the 5 if they didn't get that deal done. So if you consider the trade Allen for Dorsey, it looks WAY shitter and probably more accurate than Allen for Albert.

Don't try to polish this turd, fellas. You'll just get your hands dirty.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In a playmaker's league, DE has become the 2nd most important position on the field.

The Chiefs D went from being roughly average to being a laughinstock, one of the 2 worst in the league, despite upgrading or staying the same at every position that wasn't Jared Allen.

Did nobody see last season? And yet they still want to undervalue a franchise DE?

We were worse off for this deal. Did we lose it? Well not really b/c our ****wit GM forced us to do it and we did as well as you have any right to hope for. However, all that did was mitigate the damage. Anyone arguing otherwise really does just look like a homer.

P.S. It's also pretty critical to remember that most folks had the Chiefs taking Albert at the 5 if they didn't get that deal done. So if you consider the trade Allen for Dorsey, it looks WAY shitter and probably more accurate than Allen for Albert.

Don't try to polish this turd, fellas. You'll just get your hands dirty.

Considering the fact that the Chiefs could have started Herb Taylor last year (who subbed for Albert with absolutely no apparent drop off), the Chiefs would have been far better off keeping Allen and starting Herb. Hell, Richardson played well at left tackle Saturday night.

Good, young left tackles just aren't as scarce as in recent years.

Valiant · 08-17-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Really?? DT got to AFC championship once and that was because of a franchise QB...

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Really?? DT got to AFC championship once and that was because of a franchise QB...

The discussion is about franchise left tackles versus franchise pass rushers.

The QB position doesn't apply in this scenario.

Valiant · 08-17-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The discussion is about franchise left tackles versus franchise pass rushers.

The QB position doesn't apply in this scenario.

You said franchise pass rushers win super bowls.. DT proves they do not.. JA and the studded defense of the Vikings fared no better..

Actually it takes a whole lot more then DE, OL.. Your guys bickering points are pointless..

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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-910901	In a playmaker's league, DE has become the 2nd most important position on the field. The Chiefs D went from being roughly average to being a laughinstock, one of the 2 worst in the league, despite upgrading or staying the same at every position that wasn't Jared Allen. Did nobody see last season? And yet they still want to undervalue a franchise DE? We were worse off for this deal. Did we lose it? Well not really b/c our ****wit GM forced us to do it and we did as well as you have any right to hope for. However, all that did was mitigate the damage. Anyone arguing otherwise really does just look like a homer. P.S. It's also pretty critical to remember that most folks had the Chiefs taking Albert at the 5 if they didn't get that deal done. So if you consider the trade Allen for Dorsey, it looks WAY shitter and probably more accurate than Allen for Albert. Don't try to polish this turd, fellas. You'll just get your hands dirty.
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