Chiefs Allen is going to outsack the Chiefs - Page 8

OctoberFart · 12-19-2008, 10:47 PM

Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle

KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks

Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

*Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door!

I think we can blame Herm. We all know he got himself quite a bit of power over personnel moves, and pushed for the trade so he could have his "one glorious draft". His possible saving grace. Look how that turned out. Most of his players aren't doing so well.

Also, the league creates the players authority. Teams have let it be known that if a player is a workplace cancer, they do not care as long as it gives them a chance at a Superbowl. How many fields of work do you know of that don't care about bad references on your work history?

RedThat · 08-17-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

Coogs · 08-17-2009, 08:57 PM

In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-17-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

"Franchise" left tackles don't win Super Bowls.

Franchise pass rushers do.

Yeah, DT has all those rings.... or wasn't he a franchise pass rusher?

Coach · 08-17-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

May I remind you that Jordan Black was once our starting LT, and our offense was considered one of the worst offense in the NFL?

I-65 is open for oncoming traffic.

May I also remind you that Damion McGinatosh was once the LT of this team, and he got abused more than a hooker got abused from her pimp?

First I think Albert is really good. He had one penalty last year. How many sacks has he allowed last year? 2? And he was only a rookie.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 09:01 PM

A decent LT will suffice. Doesn't need to be all world. We all know defense wins championships, and a stud DE is the most important part of a stud defense. I'm done arguing, not wasting my time.

**DeezNutz** · 08-17-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yeah, DT has all those rings.... or wasn't he a franchise pass rusher?

His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 09:02 PM

More than 2 I believe.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-17-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You don't think Allen would still be the best player on this defense, no matter the system? Please. It was just another reeruned Carl Peterson deal, that's all.

No. Allen is worse in coverage than Hali is. Playing him at 3-4 End would be a total waste of his talent.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

I put that ****ing abortion of a forum member on ignore.

I wish he'd stop posting and go back to ****ing tranny's.

NTTATWWT.

RedThat · 08-17-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

That all comes down to balance.

why didn't the Chiefs win? well, many could argue that in the 90's they had John Alt yes, great defense yes, but, Marty schottenheimer couldn't win because he was so damn conservative and predictable on offense, afraid to take risks which is always a bad thing because that does nothing but make the oppositions job alot easier and knowing what youre gonna do.

Very few conservative teams win. In the playoffs it usually ends up being a bad thing.

Same thing about Vermeils teams. willie roaf heck of player, john tait solid player. great offenses..but why didn't we win? because the defenses were terrible. we couldnt stop anyone worth a damn. conservative defenses, "bend but don't break"..."Play back so we don't give up the big play"...."give the teams what they can get underneath, and hope for a turnover."

*Again, it comes down to balance. You still have to be pretty solid at every position, and things gotta be "right"

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-17-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

His point is clear, so why play these types of games?

Honestly, because I think he is a clueless pr!ck who tries to shout down other people with different opinions.

His point isn't valid.

Assuming that the QB is the most important position on a team.... the reality is that a player that protects your QB is every bit as important as a player who rushes the opposing QB.

He's just too used to watching Chiefs QB's that aren't worth protecting.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-17-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I put that ****ing abortion of a forum member on ignore.

I wish he'd stop posting and go back to ****ing tranny's.

NTTATWWT.

I guess your dad is lonely?

Valiant · 08-17-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're a ****ing moron.

Name a me a team that won the ****ing Super Bowl that didn't have an outstanding pass rusher. A guy (or guys) that offenses had to game plan for each and every week.

You're not going to win SHIT in the NFL these days without an outstanding pass rusher.

Period.

Yep, your right that one individually player won the championship you ignorant douchebag..

Douche mccloud "franchise pass rusher > franchise QB"

****ing dumb ass... I like how you down-graded franchise pass rusher to just outstanding to try and win a point..

New England has never had a franchise Pass Rusher during their runs.. Just a dominant defense overall.. No JA or DT type player that you said is required to be there, but of course you will spin this some how like you always do because you are in fact a franchise douche bag..

Think I will go download some movies to piss the industry off and lose Dane some money..

12-19-2008, 10:47 PM
OctoberFart Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10006091	Allen is going to outsack the Chiefs Trade winner=Minnesota. Nice job KC your losing the sack battle KC Chiefs TEAM TOTAL 9 sacks VS J. ALLEN 14.5 sacks Minnesota got a hell of a deal. Now go ahead and tell me how KC won that trade.
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08-17-2009, 08:57 PM	#108
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2345651	In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"
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08-17-2009, 09:01 PM	#112
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	A decent LT will suffice. Doesn't need to be all world. We all know defense wins championships, and a stud DE is the most important part of a stud defense. I'm done arguing, not wasting my time.
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08-17-2009, 09:02 PM	#114
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	More than 2 I believe.
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