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Old 08-25-2009, 05:59 PM   #1
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If the wheels are freewheeling, nothing.
Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

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Old 08-25-2009, 06:02 PM   #2
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Correct. So, now let's add thrust from the propeller into the mix. In the case of the second scenario, the aircraft actually gets some benefit from the forward motion of the treadmill. However, it is not enough to have the plane magically launch of the treadmill without sufficient ground speed.

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You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:04 PM   #3
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You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.
But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:07 PM   #4
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But how can there be airflow over the wings, if the airplane is not moving compared to the ground?
It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:10 PM   #5
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It wouldn't. But theoretically if the air was moving across the control surfaces, as in a wind tunnel, flight would be achieved. The propeller alone would not supply enough air movement.
It's the same reason aircraft carriers turn into the wind to launch aircraft. Less relative speed of the aircraft is required in order to achieve lift.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:07 PM   #6
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You're not explaining yourself well at all. All that is required for flight is for a sufficient amount of air to be moving over the control surfaces of the aircraft. Ground speed is irrelevant.
I've already stated that. Re-read. Anyway, we are discussing a plane on the ground, so barring a really big gust of wind, the ground speed is rather relevant.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:08 PM   #7
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I've already stated that. Re-read.
It's not really interesting enough to do that.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:18 PM   #8
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It's not really interesting enough to do that.
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