A case for Tyler Thigpen

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by sedated

take away the super bowls and where do his stats rank?

Who gives a ****?

He has 10 years left to play.

Christ, this fanbase is ****ed. You'd rather have the 4,000 yard passer who can't win a playoff game than the guy who threw for 3,000 and has multiple rings.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You'd rather have the 4,000 yard passer who can't win a playoff game than the guy who threw for 3,000 and has multiple rings.

First of all, I entered the conversation when it came to McNabb, who has won numerous playoff games.

Secondly, I look at more than simply "rings", because as I said, rings are about a team, not a single player. I'm fairly certain that if E Manning or P Rivers went to Pittsburgh instead of Roth, they would have those rings instead

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Who gives a ****?

He has 10 years left to play.

Christ, this fanbase is ****ed. You'd rather have the 4,000 yard passer who can't win a playoff game than the guy who threw for 3,000 and has multiple rings.

No, the point is that if you can't see that Super Bowls are generally run with balanced teams, then there is something wrong with you. I think Big Ben is one of the best QBs in the NFL. But there is NO WAY he could carry the 2003 Chiefs to the Super Bowl. How many playoff games could Big Ben win where the defense doesn't force A SINGLE PUNT?

Big Ben has had a top 5 defense almost every year he's played. That includes a top 5 defense in scoring as well as forcing turnovers. How can you be so blind to realize that a top 5 defense makes a QB's job 100 times easier?

To answer your question, of course I'd rather have a 3,000 yard passer because that implies that you have a dominant defense that allows you to win games. But stop pretending that Big Ben can win on a 3,000 yard season on a bottom 5 defense. For christ sake, his defense gave up 13.9 points per game. That's 2 TDs less per game than the Chiefs gave up. Do you realize that in 2003, there wasn't one single game where the Chiefs scored less than 13.9 points?