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Old 08-31-2009, 05:15 PM  
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Who is the greatest American villain?
A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

The rules:

1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:52 PM   #61
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:53 PM   #62
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:02 PM   #65
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:05 PM   #66
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Andrea Yates is a pretty heinous bitch. Drowing 5 kids in a bathtub earns you a special place in hell, IMO.
I was thinking she'd be a good choice, or anyone else who hurts kids.
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You're all naming serial killers. How about somebody who actually impacted the nation? Wall Street comes to mind, not sure who's responsible for that. What about the automakers in the '70s and '80s who stopped productive research on electric cars so they'd get more oil profits, further destroying our environment? What about Bernie Madoff or bank CEOs?

Surely there are people who know their history better than me, but serial killers just don't affect that many people. What they do is heinous, but to most they're just stories and the impact isn't really felt.
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I was thinking she'd be a good choice, or anyone else who hurts kids.

She kind of took the spotlight off Susan Smith.
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I live up in Lewisville, he lives down in the Highland Park area. I actually met a bartender who ran into him and the secret service while biking one of the trails in the city. Showed me a cell phone pic he had taken with him.
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You're all naming serial killers. How about somebody who actually impacted the nation? Wall Street comes to mind, not sure who's responsible for that. What about the automakers in the '70s and '80s who stopped productive research on electric cars so they'd get more oil profits, further destroying our environment? What about Bernie Madoff or bank CEOs?

Surely there are people who know their history better than me, but serial killers just don't affect that many people. What they do is heinous, but to most they're just stories and the impact isn't really felt.
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Serial killers don't affect "Americans." They only affect a very small population- mostly in the single digits.

I was thinking Madoff and/or the guy who took over Qwest- he totally *****ed a lot of people over on their money.
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Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Serial killers don't affect "Americans." They only affect a very small population- mostly in the single digits.

I was thinking Madoff and/or the guy who took over Qwest- he totally *****ed a lot of people over on their money.
Madoff was a POS but those people who were bilked out of there money by him were a victim of their own greed. If someone promises you those kinds of returns a red flag should go up.
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Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Serial killers don't affect "Americans." They only affect a very small population- mostly in the single digits.

I was thinking Madoff and/or the guy who took over Qwest- he totally *****ed a lot of people over on their money.
So raw numbers trump all?

Sorry, but this little contest includes only murderers in my mind. You kill one person in cold blood and you are beyond Bernie Madoff in terms of pure villany.

Pecuniary loss sucks, it sucks long and it sucks hard, but murder is the end all/be all of human degredation.
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