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**Rain Man** · 05:36 PM

A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

The rules:

1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.

Swanman · 09-01-2009, 10:30 AM

I know it's the "easy" pick, but I'll throw my vote in there for Charlie Manson. When you look at villains, one thing to look at is their motives. Manson's motive for the whole helter skelter craziness was to rule the farking world. He was like every movie villain in that sense which made his story even more unbelievable.

Basically he wanted his killings to appear like they were done by Black Panthers, thus igniting a race war that in his opinion black people would win because they had been repressed for so long. However, he thought they were too dumb to lead themselves so he would come out of hiding and be their leader. Now he has obvious gaping holes in his theory as there are more than just whites and blacks in the world, but you have to give him an A+ for ambition and scope.

Also, he hopelessly brainwashed his people into little more than robots to do his bidding. Koresh and other cult leaders, except maybe Jim Jones, didn't get anywhere near his level of brainwashing. And one of his minions had a presidiential assassination attempt, so at least they were shooting for the stars.

And he gave us the great "pile bodies to the sky" quote. Well done, you crazy fugger.

MOhillbilly · 09-01-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Uh, British.

And PETA can suck ballz, but there's nothing wrong with the Humane Society.

one in the same.

Thig Lyfe · 09-01-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by John_Wayne

The list will be incomplete without Barack Obama. I'm seriouis.

Not an American.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

one in the same.

Humane Society runs shelters and euthanizes animals; how can that be "one in the same"?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Not an American.

MOhillbilly · 09-01-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Humane Society runs shelters and euthanizes animals?

no they dont. your local HS runs 'shelters' the HSUS donates zero dollars to your local shelter.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-01-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

no they dont. your local HS runs 'shelters' the HSUS donates zero dollars to your local shelter.

Okay....well I'm bored with this topic anyway; you win.

DJJasonp · 09-01-2009, 11:19 AM

When I think "villian"....I dont necessarily think of "killer" per se.....I think of people who are as close to universally hated as possible....so with that in mind:

George Steinbrenner
Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheik
Shanon Sharpe
Al Capone

RJ · 09-01-2009, 11:29 AM

Depending on one's POV - Jack Kevorkian.

**Lumpy** · 09-01-2009, 11:33 AM

Vernon Wayne Howell, (aka David Koresh)

Demonpenz · 09-01-2009, 11:35 AM

Getty lee

Stewie · 09-01-2009, 11:37 AM

Amnorix · 09-01-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, those poor Irish altar boys, they never did nothin' to nobody.

It must be nice to get all of your history lessons from bumper stickers. Much easier to understand that way.

Please, I know who the victims are.

You're going pretty far out of your way here to defend a mafia don...

stumppy · 09-01-2009, 11:40 AM

ME.

If you people only knew.

ClevelandBronco · 09-01-2009, 11:42 AM

Charles Manson.

08-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-682449 VARSITY	Who is the greatest American villain? A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American? Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot. The rules: 1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces. 2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis. 3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either. 4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes. Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll. Last edited by Rain Man; 08-31-2009 at 05:36 PM..
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09-01-2009, 10:30 AM	#196
Swanman It's a league game, Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Itasca, IL Casino cash: $9967354	I know it's the "easy" pick, but I'll throw my vote in there for Charlie Manson. When you look at villains, one thing to look at is their motives. Manson's motive for the whole helter skelter craziness was to rule the farking world. He was like every movie villain in that sense which made his story even more unbelievable. Basically he wanted his killings to appear like they were done by Black Panthers, thus igniting a race war that in his opinion black people would win because they had been repressed for so long. However, he thought they were too dumb to lead themselves so he would come out of hiding and be their leader. Now he has obvious gaping holes in his theory as there are more than just whites and blacks in the world, but you have to give him an A+ for ambition and scope. Also, he hopelessly brainwashed his people into little more than robots to do his bidding. Koresh and other cult leaders, except maybe Jim Jones, didn't get anywhere near his level of brainwashing. And one of his minions had a presidiential assassination attempt, so at least they were shooting for the stars. And he gave us the great "pile bodies to the sky" quote. Well done, you crazy fugger.
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $-1894800	When I think "villian"....I dont necessarily think of "killer" per se.....I think of people who are as close to universally hated as possible....so with that in mind: George Steinbrenner Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheik Shanon Sharpe Al Capone __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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