The Second World War Started Today

[Donger]

Originally Posted by JOhn

Only because of the reasons I stated. The by that definition, the "war" we fought in Asia & the pacific is not truly a part of the second world war.

Huh? We had no real reason to declare war on Japan until Pearl.

[JOhn]

Originally Posted by Donger

Huh? We had no real reason to declare war on Japan until Pearl.

Your kidding right? The US Marines were involved in the July 7, 1937 Marco Polo bridge incident that started the war. Our Gunboats were repeatedly attacked and 1 even sunk by the Japanese, resulting in the death of several Marines. Our troops were also strafed by the Japanese air force & Several US Marines were also killed/captured in the bridge incident.

Not sure what a "real" reason would be to declare war, but the unprovoked attack, killing & capture of US soldiers & civilians seems pretty good to me.

Again, only because they involved Asians, were we not willing to get involved. Roosevelt admitted he "overlooked" Japans aggression only because he wanted to fight the Germans.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by JOhn

Your kidding right? The US Marines were involved in the July 7, 1937 Marco Polo bridge incident that started the war. Our Gunboats were repeatedly attacked and 1 even sunk by the Japanese, resulting in the death of several Marines. Our troops were also strafed by the Japanese air force & Several US Marines were also killed/captured in the bridge incident.

Not sure what a "real" reason would be to declare war, but the unprovoked attack, killing & capture of US soldiers & civilians seems pretty good to me.

Again, only because they involved Asians, were we not willing to get involved. Roosevelt admitted he "overlooked" Japans aggression only because he wanted to fight the Germans.

No, I was not aware that any Americans were involved in that fight, let alone any of them died. Please provide your evidence.

[JOhn]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I was not aware that any Americans were involved in that fight, let alone any of them died. Please provide your evidence.

On December 12, 1937, the U.S.S. Panay was bombed and sunk by Japanese aircraft while anchored in the vicinity of Hoshien on the Yangtze River. The officers and men of the Panay while under heavy attack, and afterwards, discharged their duties with a coolness and deliberation that was in accord with the highest traditions of the Naval service.

The Fourth Regiment of Marines at Shanghai were engaged during the Shanghai siege in protecting the lives and interests of Americans in the International Settlement. Their defense sector at Shanghai was effectively held under most trying conditions.

Source: Annual Report of the Secretary of the Navy for the Fiscal Year 1938. (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 1938): 9, 17.

After a quick search found that. Will see if I can find online sources of the Books I have here at home.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by JOhn

On December 12, 1937, the U.S.S. Panay was bombed and sunk by Japanese aircraft while anchored in the vicinity of Hoshien on the Yangtze River. The officers and men of the Panay while under heavy attack, and afterwards, discharged their duties with a coolness and deliberation that was in accord with the highest traditions of the Naval service.

The Fourth Regiment of Marines at Shanghai were engaged during the Shanghai siege in protecting the lives and interests of Americans in the International Settlement. Their defense sector at Shanghai was effectively held under most trying conditions.

Source: Annual Report of the Secretary of the Navy for the Fiscal Year 1938. (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 1938): 9, 17.

After a quick search found that. Will see if I can find online sources of the Books I have here at home.

You specifically mentioned the Marco Polo Incident, not the Panay. The Japanese government accepted responsibility for it and stated that it was not an intentional act.