NFL Draft Walter Football: 2010 NFL Draft 9/9 update - Page 2

**Tribal Warfare** · 09-10-2009, 05:55 PM

2010 NFL Mock Draft

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3

1)Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
The Chiefs invested $63 million into Matt Cassel. Whether this was a smart move or not is now irrelevant - what's done is done, and Scott Pioli is betting his Kansas City tenure on Cassel succeeding.

Unfortunately, one of Cassel's most glaring weaknesses, his tendency to take too many sacks, will be very prevalent in Kansas City because the team's offensive line is so horrendous.

Branden Albert is solid at left tackle, but Pioli didn't draft him and the Chiefs organization doesn't have that much money invested into him (about $3 million over the next four years). Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Cassel more time in the pocket.

33) Kansas City Chiefs: Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina
The smart move here would be to add a rush linebacker to help an anemic pass rush that won't be any better in 2009 than it was in 2008. Eric Norwood opened the season with two sacks against N.C. State. He had 14.5 TFL and nine sacks in 2008.

55)Kansas City Chiefs: Evan Royster, RB, Penn State
The Chiefs should be able to cut Larry Johnson following the 2009 season. Evan Royster is a talented runner who would be a nice complement to Jamaal Charles.

65)Kansas City Chiefs: Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
With Tony Gonzalez gone, Matt Cassel doesn't have much to work with outside of Dwayne Bowe. I've always liked Bobby Engram, but he's 36. Mark Bradley, Devard Darling? Meh.

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

2:35: The Chiefs just signed Tyler Thigpen Matt Cassel to a 6-year deal with $36 million guaranteed. Cassel will use half that money to purchase a bionic arm to upgrade his girly arm strength. He'll spend the other half on coaching to help him, you know, actually play under center.

3:48: NBC reports that the Chiefs and Matt Cassel haven't agreed to an extension. Poor Cassel. He'll have to wait for his bionic arm.

4:26: With the 3rd Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU . Scott Pioli proving once again that he has no idea what he's doing. Way to take a lesser player over the top defensive player in the draft.

4:31: From ChicagoJay concerning the Jackson pick: ****ing morons are u ****ing kidding me are they trying to ****ing rob me of 350? i cant ****ing believe theyve done this have fun finished last in the worst division in football agian kansas u ****ing losers.

4:32: With the 4th Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest. And my mock draft is officially debacled. The writing was on the wall when Scott Pioli epically failed.

5:16: With the 9th Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College. Pretty easy with Tyson Jackson off the board. We can all thank Scott Pioli for ruining what the 2009 NFL Draft was supposed to be.

5:21: With the 10th Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech. The 49ers should thank Scott Pioli and Al Davis for being incredibly stupid. Congrats, San Francisco fans! You just got one of the top players in the draft at No. 10!

5:41: With the 14th Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select Malcolm Jenkins, FS, Ohio State. There's some sanity in this world! If Scott Pioli were making this pick, he may have taken Chase Daniel(s).

That was all on the Walter site during the draft.

that is embarrassingly stupid....did nick athan write it?

Mecca · 09-10-2009, 06:22 PM

Here's the Chiefs/Ravens take from that site

Kansas City Chiefs (0-0) at Baltimore Ravens (0-0)
Line: Ravens by 13. Total: 36.
Walt's Projected Line (Before Preseason): Ravens -11.
Walt's Projected Line (After Preseason): Ravens -13.
Sunday, 1:00 ET

The Game. Edge: Ravens.

# KANSAS CITY OFFENSE: This is going to be fun. I have the Chiefs dead last in my 2009 NFL Power Rankings for many reasons - one of which is the quarterback position.

The Chiefs dealt away a second-round pick for Matt Cassel and gave him more than $60 million. I laughed throughout the course of this entire process. Cassel can do some good things - he can scramble and throw accurately in the short passing game - but he's a spread-shotgun system quarterback with no arm strength. Aside from his height, he's really no different than Tyler Thigpen.

Of course, Thigpen was able to lead the Chiefs on a covering spree toward the end of the 2008 season. But Thigpen had been with the Chiefs for a couple of years and largely was going against soft defenses. Baltimore will not allow any of this nonsense.

Cassel, who is only 50-50 to face the Ravens (as of Monday evening) won't stand much of a chance behind Kansas City's horrendous offensive line. Cassel took a lot of sacks in New England, so imagine what will happen this season. Cassel won't have the services of a solid running game either; Baltimore will put the clamps on that without much effort.

BALTIMORE OFFENSE: One of the reasons I love the Ravens so much this year is their underrated offense. Joe Flacco really looks like he's ready to take the next step and enter into the upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks. Ray Rice will be a dangerous weapon out of the backfield for Flacco. Derrick Mason, despite nearly retiring, appears as though he's poised for another big season.

Most importantly, the Ravens have one of the top offensive lines in the NFL. This matches up well against Kansas City's joke of a defensive front. Baltimore will easily push around rookie Tyson Jackson and 3-4 misfit Glenn Dorsey, opening up huge lanes for Rice and giving Flacco an eternity to throw the ball. The Chiefs mustered 10 sacks last year, so expecting them to even get one in this contest is pretty far-fetched.

RECAP: According to my 2009 NFL Power Rankings, this is a matchup between the No. 2 and the No. 32 teams. Unless Flacco and several members of the offensive line go down with injuries, I really can't envision this game being remotely close.

The Psychology. Edge: Chiefs.
The Ravens have the Chargers next week (LOOK-AHEAD ALERT). The Chiefs suck at life right now, so Baltimore may treat like this a fifth preseason game. Then again, this is the season opener...

The Vegas. Edge: Chiefs.
No one should be surprised that the betting is this lopsided.
# Percentage of money on Baltimore: 88% (38,000 bets)

The Trends. Edge: Chiefs.
# Chiefs are 11-5 ATS as a road underdog since 2007.
# Chiefs were 6-0 ATS as a double-digit underdog under Herm Edwards.
# Opening Line: Ravens -9.
# Opening Total: 37.5.
# Weather: Partly cloudy, 80 degrees. Light wind.
# For more trends, check out the Gaming Matchups or the Expanded NFL Analysis.

Week 1 NFL Pick: Ravens 41, Chiefs 0
Ravens -13 (4 Units)
Over 36 (2 Units)
Survivor Pick (0-0)

Shag · 09-10-2009, 06:23 PM

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Branden Albert is solid at left tackle, but Pioli didn't draft him and the Chiefs organization doesn't have that much money invested into him (about $3 million over the next four years). Pioli can afford to draft a franchise left tackle and move Albert around in an effort to give Cassel more time in the pocket.

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Why Not Eugene Monroe? Monroe makes even less sense here; the Chiefs selected a left tackle (Branden Albert) last year, so taking Monroe and moving Albert around would be like choosing a guard or a right tackle at this spot. You don't do that at No. 3.

You don't select OL at 3, but apparently, you do at 1...

JohninGpt · 09-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

5:21: With the 10th Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech. The 49ers should thank Scott Pioli and Al Davis for being incredibly stupid. Congrats, San Francisco fans! You just got one of the top players in the draft at No. 10!

Unless I missed something (which is entirely possible) this hasn't done SF much good.

Mecca · 09-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag

You don't select OL at 3, but apparently, you do at 1...

You have to realize he went from thinking Pioli was smart to thinking he was an idiot in that time frame.

KCwolf · 09-10-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohninGpt

Unless I missed something (which is entirely possible) this hasn't done SF much good.

This is perferct.......enough said. I'm not saying T.Jax was the right pick, but somehow this genious knows we made the wrong pick

**AustinChief** · 09-10-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Why the **** would we replace a 36 year old Bobby Engram with a 39 year old Jordan Shipley? The ****er should have his Ph.D. and completed his tenure track at UT by now.

Besides that fact that he is 23... What REAL issues do you have with Shipley?

Pablo · 09-10-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Besides that fact that he is 23... What REAL issues do you have with Shipley?

He's white(slow) and from Texas(undisciplined).

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-10-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Besides that fact that he is 23... What REAL issues do you have with Shipley?

He'll be a 24 year old rookie (who'll turn 25 his rookie year) from a spread offense of slight build with marginal speed.

Yes, he looks great running drag routes against the 4th CB at Baylor, but by the time you've taken 2 years to teach him a proper route tree, you've got a prospect who is 2-3 years older than most of the other guys, coming from a system and school with little success in transitioning its players to the pro game.

**AustinChief** · 09-10-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He'll be a 24 year old rookie (who'll turn 25 his rookie year) from a spread offense of slight build with marginal speed.

A 4.4 is marginal?

I seem to recall another spread offense receiver with worse 40 times.. Wes Welker is doing fine in the NFL.

Fact is, Shipley is the all time leading receiver in Texas high school history. I don't see him as a superstar but I will bet you that he has a solid NFL career.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-10-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

A 4.4 is marginal?

I seem to recall another spread offense receiver with worse 40 times.. Wes Welker is doing fine in the NFL.

Fact is, Shipley is the all time leading receiver in Texas high school history. I don't see him as a superstar but I will bet you that he has a solid NFL career.

Translation: I'll take the best estimate of his 4.4 and try and pass that off as his true speed.

He won't be Wes Welker. He won't even be Brandon Stokley.

Mecca · 09-10-2009, 06:55 PM

Please this years WR class blows unless the 3 underclassman all come out after them there's nothing.

**AustinChief** · 09-10-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Translation: I'll take the best estimate of his 4.4 and try and pass that off as his true speed.

He won't be Wes Welker. He won't even be Brandon Stokley.

And this is based on your infinite knowledge of the future? Have you watched him play or is this more anti-UT bias?(btw I am not a huge UT fan but I do watch all their games)

He has a measured 4.4.. Welker I believe was a 4.6

So what other UT WRs failed in the NFL? Roy Williams? Limas Sweed seems to be catching on with the Steelers... How about Jermichael Finley(played TE/WR) Kyle Shanahan? (oops, ok forget that one)

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-10-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Please this years WR class blows unless the 3 underclassman all come out after them there's nothing.

You realize you've just secured WR pick at #1, yes?

**AustinChief** · 09-10-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Please this years WR class blows unless the 3 underclassman all come out after them there's nothing.

Not arguing that... just saying that Jordan Shipley at #65 isn't the worst pick in the world. Hamas' dismissiveness is completely unwarranted in this case.

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09-10-2009, 06:22 PM	#17
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	Here's the Chiefs/Ravens take from that site Kansas City Chiefs (0-0) at Baltimore Ravens (0-0) Line: Ravens by 13. Total: 36. Walt's Projected Line (Before Preseason): Ravens -11. Walt's Projected Line (After Preseason): Ravens -13. Sunday, 1:00 ET The Game. Edge: Ravens. # KANSAS CITY OFFENSE: This is going to be fun. I have the Chiefs dead last in my 2009 NFL Power Rankings for many reasons - one of which is the quarterback position. The Chiefs dealt away a second-round pick for Matt Cassel and gave him more than $60 million. I laughed throughout the course of this entire process. Cassel can do some good things - he can scramble and throw accurately in the short passing game - but he's a spread-shotgun system quarterback with no arm strength. Aside from his height, he's really no different than Tyler Thigpen. Of course, Thigpen was able to lead the Chiefs on a covering spree toward the end of the 2008 season. But Thigpen had been with the Chiefs for a couple of years and largely was going against soft defenses. Baltimore will not allow any of this nonsense. Cassel, who is only 50-50 to face the Ravens (as of Monday evening) won't stand much of a chance behind Kansas City's horrendous offensive line. Cassel took a lot of sacks in New England, so imagine what will happen this season. Cassel won't have the services of a solid running game either; Baltimore will put the clamps on that without much effort. BALTIMORE OFFENSE: One of the reasons I love the Ravens so much this year is their underrated offense. Joe Flacco really looks like he's ready to take the next step and enter into the upper echelon of NFL quarterbacks. Ray Rice will be a dangerous weapon out of the backfield for Flacco. Derrick Mason, despite nearly retiring, appears as though he's poised for another big season. Most importantly, the Ravens have one of the top offensive lines in the NFL. This matches up well against Kansas City's joke of a defensive front. Baltimore will easily push around rookie Tyson Jackson and 3-4 misfit Glenn Dorsey, opening up huge lanes for Rice and giving Flacco an eternity to throw the ball. The Chiefs mustered 10 sacks last year, so expecting them to even get one in this contest is pretty far-fetched. RECAP: According to my 2009 NFL Power Rankings, this is a matchup between the No. 2 and the No. 32 teams. Unless Flacco and several members of the offensive line go down with injuries, I really can't envision this game being remotely close. The Psychology. Edge: Chiefs. The Ravens have the Chargers next week (LOOK-AHEAD ALERT). The Chiefs suck at life right now, so Baltimore may treat like this a fifth preseason game. Then again, this is the season opener... The Vegas. Edge: Chiefs. No one should be surprised that the betting is this lopsided. # Percentage of money on Baltimore: 88% (38,000 bets) The Trends. Edge: Chiefs. # Chiefs are 11-5 ATS as a road underdog since 2007. # Chiefs were 6-0 ATS as a double-digit underdog under Herm Edwards. # Opening Line: Ravens -9. # Opening Total: 37.5. # Weather: Partly cloudy, 80 degrees. Light wind. # For more trends, check out the Gaming Matchups or the Expanded NFL Analysis. Week 1 NFL Pick: Ravens 41, Chiefs 0 Ravens -13 (4 Units) Over 36 (2 Units) Survivor Pick (0-0)
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