Football And the pussification keeps rolling on.... - Page 2

**Nzoner** · 09-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Too focking bad,then don't let your son play the game!!

Sorry if a repost

A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts.

Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin.

"I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right."

Florida High School Team Defends 83-0 Rout

He can explain that three of the touchdowns came on returns. And that a blocked punt brought a fourth.

He can offer that his team threw just one pass in the second half. One that was played with backups and with a running clock throughout.

He can even reveal that his team lost to this very opponent just a year ago.

But in a high school landscape increasingly aware of sportsmanship issues - one where quick harsh judgments are made based solely on a score - Chaminade-Madonna football coach Tim Tyrrell knows he has a tough time explaining how his Hollywood, Fla., team rolled to victory over Pompano Beach last week.

83-0.

"We did not go into the game looking to score that many points,'' he said, "and a lot of them came in bunches and off big plays.

"We only had one real drive; the rest came on short fields."

The Lions scored on a blocked punt, and two interceptions directly set up short touchdowns. Then to open the second half, senior Demitri Beal took the kickoff back 99 yards.

The defense also forced four more turnovers on the night.

The question then becomes when is enough enough? Chaminade-Madonna tied the Broward County record for margin of victory, a mark first established in 1951.

Gary Pigott, the senior director of athletics for the Florida High School Athletics Association, said there have been rules changes to help reduce the scoring opportunities - and thus avoid games such as these.

"About four years ago we switched from an optional running clock to a mandatory running clock for the mercy rule," Pigott said.

"It used to be optional, and the team who was behind had to request the clock. Some coaches thought that signified that they had given up on their team. We wanted to take that ethical problem away as best we could."

Pompano Beach coach Greg McGirt, reached by phone this week, did not want to discuss the game.

"I don't really want to talk about it,'' he said. "You might want to talk to my athletic director."

Athletic director Vince Stevenson didn't return phone calls.

A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts.

Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin.

"I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right."

And that may be for parents on both sides. Foster said parents of the Chaminade-Madonna team - sitting close by at a field that had just one set of stands - did not applaud their team's final scores, the last of which came in the fourth quarter.

"It was weird. We were all sitting on the same side of the field," Foster said. "Their fans were a little embarrassed by it, too. They stopped clapping by the fourth quarter."

Tyrrell, in his second year as coach at Chaminade-Madonna, said he has to do right by his team.

"I can not tell kids who do not get a chance to play to go in and not try,'' he said. "To not get better. To not work hard."

And Tyrell points out all his starters were out of the game at halftime, following a 42-point second quarter.

"If I pull my first team too early they will not be ready for the games that are coming up on our schedule,'' Tyrrell said. "It is my job to get this team ready."

That schedule includes perennial power Miami Monsignor Pace and 2008 Class 2A state runner-up Miami Gulliver Prep.

Last season Monsignor Pace bettered Chaminade-Madonna 41-0, and four other schools also broke the 40-point barrier against the Lions.

It was something Tyrrell said his team had to learn from.

"We had a lot of tough games, but we have to learn to win or lose with class," Tyrrell said.

"Whether we are up 60 or down 60 we have to work hard. We have to coach hard."

That may be easier said on the plus side of the 83-0 score.

And as Pigott points out, "What goes around comes around."

**MahiMike** · 09-16-2009, 08:52 PM

I've been on both sides of blowouts and it's not fun either way.

Kills me how Florida does this every year against teams they have no right playing yet 90,000 cheer loudly to a 65-3 victory. I'd be embarrassed.

**Easy 6** · 09-16-2009, 08:59 PM

Its tough for the losing team, thats easy to understand...but i really do believe that you grow more through adversity than you do breezing through everything. When that losing team wins one, it'll be twice as satisfying.

I work with an older gent, who was a very successful high school coach in his younger days & we were discussing this issue just the other day.

He once used a line on an irate opposing coach who's team lost badly...'I can only coach my players'.

RJ · 09-16-2009, 09:10 PM

I remember being on a basketball team when I was about 12. We lost a game by a score of something like 70-8. I know we were single digits. We were mad, but we weren't mad at the other team. Another kid's dad was there, I remember him saying something to the effect of "well, they're a lot better than you guys". Since I was the center and the best player on the team (yeah, I know) I had played the entire game and was pretty tired from chasing those guys around. Towards the end I stole a pass and raced the length of the court for a layup. It felt great. Except it was the wrong basket. That same dad kindly suggested that I have a seat for a few minutes and the coach agreed.

The other team was good, we were bad, everyone survived. End of story.

GoHuge · 09-16-2009, 09:12 PM

So does the stop somebody theory not apply to high school? It's not like the winning team in a hgh school game has out recruited and out resourced an opposing team. The coach in this game did all he could and everything right. With the turnovers and kick returns these things happen. Throughout my sports career (football, baseball, and wrestling) which went from t-ball through junior college I was on the recieving end of blowouts as well as being on the team giving them. It's part of sports. Everyone will survive. The fans where respectful. Don't know what else could be done other than the winning team kneeling on it the entire second half. The losing team really would have felt like a bunch of bitches then.

RJ · 09-16-2009, 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=GoHuge39;6080133]So does the stop somebody theory not apply to high school? It's not like the winning team in a hgh school game has out recruited and out resourced an opposing team. The coach in this game did all he could and everything right. With the turnovers and kick returns these things happen. Throughout my sports career (football, baseball, and wrestling) which went from t-ball through junior college I was on the recieving end of blowouts as well as being on the team giving them. It's part of sports. Everyone will survive. The fans where respectful. Don't know what else could be done other than the winning team kneeling on it the entire second half. The losing team really would have felt like a bunch of bitches then.[/QUOTE]

Good point.

htismaqe · 09-16-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

There is a 46 point score rule here in ok

Yeah, it was 50 when I was in school. And it was at the end of the period. So if you were up by 50 at the end of the half or quarter, it was over.

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, it was 50 when I was in school. And it was at the end of the period. So if you were up by 50 at the end of the half or quarter, it was over.

ITS at any point in the game....

Seen it many of times where my kids go to Highschool...

**Bearcat** · 09-16-2009, 09:57 PM

I don't see anything wrong with what they said... just stating the obvious that it's humiliating. It's just a writer looking for a story.

So, how does it make you feel.... you know, losing by 83?

Demonpenz · 09-16-2009, 09:59 PM

you know what really sucks, it doesn't matter how much you are losing in football, it is fun to hit, tackle and block, unless it one team looks like they are getting phyically injured, you practice so much, lift so many weights, prepare all ****ing week, you should be able to play until the end.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

ITS at any point in the game....

Seen it many of times where my kids go to Highschool...

You mean Guthrie isn't tearing it up? I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

You mean Guthrie isn't tearing it up? I'm shocked. SHOCKED I SAY!

Guthrie won the state championship last year and is looking pretty strong this year.

I dont follow them to much...

My kids go to Oklahoma Christian Academy... They fail at football but dominate at basketball...

We were 2 games away from state in Class B last year. Such a fun ride! Lots of traveling....

**Rain Man** · 09-16-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

I remember being on a basketball team when I was about 12. We lost a game by a score of something like 70-8. I know we were single digits. We were mad, but we weren't mad at the other team. Another kid's dad was there, I remember him saying something to the effect of "well, they're a lot better than you guys". Since I was the center and the best player on the team (yeah, I know) I had played the entire game and was pretty tired from chasing those guys around. Towards the end I stole a pass and raced the length of the court for a layup. It felt great. Except it was the wrong basket. That same dad kindly suggested that I have a seat for a few minutes and the coach agreed.

The other team was good, we were bad, everyone survived. End of story.

If you scored for the winning team, it seems to me like you can claim that you were on the winning team.

Back to the original post, while it might be humiliating at the time, it seems to me that blowouts are good motivation to work hard to increase one's skills. As the coach said, it's not like he could tell his backups to not play hard. The losing team just needs to get better or find another hobby.

**007** · 09-16-2009, 10:22 PM

So the other team is just supposed to roll over and play dead because the losers say so? Sorry, chalk it up to a learning experience. Sounds to me like that coach actually tried to NOT run up the score.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 09-16-2009, 10:40 PM

I loved the 45 point rule. Only about half the games went longer than the required half and we still put up 60 a few times.

If you have 42 and the ball right before half you make sure you put it in the endzone since you know you won't be playing in the 2nd half.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Guthrie won the state championship last year and is looking pretty strong this year.

I didn't think it was possible for ass-backward to go ass-backward due to the restraints of physics, but apparently HS Football in Oklahoma has done just that.

09-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	And the pussification keeps rolling on.... Too focking bad,then don't let your son play the game!! Sorry if a repost A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts. Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin. "I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right." Florida High School Team Defends 83-0 Rout He can explain that three of the touchdowns came on returns. And that a blocked punt brought a fourth. He can offer that his team threw just one pass in the second half. One that was played with backups and with a running clock throughout. He can even reveal that his team lost to this very opponent just a year ago. But in a high school landscape increasingly aware of sportsmanship issues - one where quick harsh judgments are made based solely on a score - Chaminade-Madonna football coach Tim Tyrrell knows he has a tough time explaining how his Hollywood, Fla., team rolled to victory over Pompano Beach last week. 83-0. "We did not go into the game looking to score that many points,'' he said, "and a lot of them came in bunches and off big plays. "We only had one real drive; the rest came on short fields." The Lions scored on a blocked punt, and two interceptions directly set up short touchdowns. Then to open the second half, senior Demitri Beal took the kickoff back 99 yards. The defense also forced four more turnovers on the night. The question then becomes when is enough enough? Chaminade-Madonna tied the Broward County record for margin of victory, a mark first established in 1951. Gary Pigott, the senior director of athletics for the Florida High School Athletics Association, said there have been rules changes to help reduce the scoring opportunities - and thus avoid games such as these. "About four years ago we switched from an optional running clock to a mandatory running clock for the mercy rule," Pigott said. "It used to be optional, and the team who was behind had to request the clock. Some coaches thought that signified that they had given up on their team. We wanted to take that ethical problem away as best we could." Pompano Beach coach Greg McGirt, reached by phone this week, did not want to discuss the game. "I don't really want to talk about it,'' he said. "You might want to talk to my athletic director." Athletic director Vince Stevenson didn't return phone calls. A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts. Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin. "I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right." And that may be for parents on both sides. Foster said parents of the Chaminade-Madonna team - sitting close by at a field that had just one set of stands - did not applaud their team's final scores, the last of which came in the fourth quarter. "It was weird. We were all sitting on the same side of the field," Foster said. "Their fans were a little embarrassed by it, too. They stopped clapping by the fourth quarter." Tyrrell, in his second year as coach at Chaminade-Madonna, said he has to do right by his team. "I can not tell kids who do not get a chance to play to go in and not try,'' he said. "To not get better. To not work hard." And Tyrell points out all his starters were out of the game at halftime, following a 42-point second quarter. "If I pull my first team too early they will not be ready for the games that are coming up on our schedule,'' Tyrrell said. "It is my job to get this team ready." That schedule includes perennial power Miami Monsignor Pace and 2008 Class 2A state runner-up Miami Gulliver Prep. Last season Monsignor Pace bettered Chaminade-Madonna 41-0, and four other schools also broke the 40-point barrier against the Lions. It was something Tyrrell said his team had to learn from. "We had a lot of tough games, but we have to learn to win or lose with class," Tyrrell said. "Whether we are up 60 or down 60 we have to work hard. We have to coach hard." That may be easier said on the plus side of the 83-0 score. And as Pigott points out, "What goes around comes around."
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MahiMike He's Mahomie! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Jax, FL Casino cash: $10023443	I've been on both sides of blowouts and it's not fun either way. Kills me how Florida does this every year against teams they have no right playing yet 90,000 cheer loudly to a 65-3 victory. I'd be embarrassed.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-222225	Its tough for the losing team, thats easy to understand...but i really do believe that you grow more through adversity than you do breezing through everything. When that losing team wins one, it'll be twice as satisfying. I work with an older gent, who was a very successful high school coach in his younger days & we were discussing this issue just the other day. He once used a line on an irate opposing coach who's team lost badly...'I can only coach my players'.
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09-16-2009, 09:10 PM	#18
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	I remember being on a basketball team when I was about 12. We lost a game by a score of something like 70-8. I know we were single digits. We were mad, but we weren't mad at the other team. Another kid's dad was there, I remember him saying something to the effect of "well, they're a lot better than you guys". Since I was the center and the best player on the team (yeah, I know) I had played the entire game and was pretty tired from chasing those guys around. Towards the end I stole a pass and raced the length of the court for a layup. It felt great. Except it was the wrong basket. That same dad kindly suggested that I have a seat for a few minutes and the coach agreed. The other team was good, we were bad, everyone survived. End of story.
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09-16-2009, 09:12 PM	#19
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	So does the stop somebody theory not apply to high school? It's not like the winning team in a hgh school game has out recruited and out resourced an opposing team. The coach in this game did all he could and everything right. With the turnovers and kick returns these things happen. Throughout my sports career (football, baseball, and wrestling) which went from t-ball through junior college I was on the recieving end of blowouts as well as being on the team giving them. It's part of sports. Everyone will survive. The fans where respectful. Don't know what else could be done other than the winning team kneeling on it the entire second half. The losing team really would have felt like a bunch of bitches then. Last edited by GoHuge; 09-16-2009 at 09:19 PM..
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09-16-2009, 09:22 PM	#20
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	[QUOTE=GoHuge39;6080133]So does the stop somebody theory not apply to high school? It's not like the winning team in a hgh school game has out recruited and out resourced an opposing team. The coach in this game did all he could and everything right. With the turnovers and kick returns these things happen. Throughout my sports career (football, baseball, and wrestling) which went from t-ball through junior college I was on the recieving end of blowouts as well as being on the team giving them. It's part of sports. Everyone will survive. The fans where respectful. Don't know what else could be done other than the winning team kneeling on it the entire second half. The losing team really would have felt like a bunch of bitches then.[/QUOTE] Good point.
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09-16-2009, 09:57 PM	#23
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $-1115069	I don't see anything wrong with what they said... just stating the obvious that it's humiliating. It's just a writer looking for a story. So, how does it make you feel.... you know, losing by 83?
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09-16-2009, 10:22 PM	#28
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09-16-2009, 10:40 PM	#29
Kyle DeLexus Opie and Anthony XM 105 Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10002400	I loved the 45 point rule. Only about half the games went longer than the required half and we still put up 60 a few times. If you have 42 and the ball right before half you make sure you put it in the endzone since you know you won't be playing in the 2nd half.
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