Chiefs I like what Haley did yesterday... - Page 12

**petegz28** · 09-28-2009, 07:36 AM

3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the ****ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ****ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2.

Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 ****ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did.

It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces.

I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.

dallaschiefsfan · 09-28-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The definition of pussy doesn't change, whether it's week 32 or week 3.

Meaning?

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Meaning?

It's a horseshit decision, in isolation or part of a larger pattern. Neither get a pass from me.

**petegz28** · 09-28-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The definition of pussy doesn't change, whether it's week 32 or week 3.

oh JFC, now Haley is a pussy?

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The definition of pussy doesn't change, whether it's week 32 or week 3.

It just comes down to whether you believe he was proving something and whether you think it was worth it. You obviously don't on both counts so there's not gonna be any good here as far as you're concerned. I am just choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however slight it is. This time next year I will not be so easy going.

Fish · 09-28-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Again. Only because this is his third game. Herm called games almost this poorly well into his second season and beyond. I gave Herm the benefit of the doubt to until he showed it was not warranted. Maybe it will go the same way with Haley but I don't see the point in assuming the worst with a new regime.

Are you forgetting that Haley was on offensive coordinator before coming here? He isn't new to calling plays at all. Please find another excuse.

dallaschiefsfan · 09-28-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a horseshit decision, in isolation or part of a larger pattern. Neither get a pass from me.

Well then. The front office should stand up and take notice. You're obviously someone they should be listening to.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

oh JFC, now Haley is a pussy?

Seriously, I don't think anyone knows anything about Haley.

He coordinated an offense with Hall of Fame players for two years.

Before that, he bounced around the league for a decade as a receivers coach.

He may prove to be a successful, quality head coach.

Or, he may not.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

It just comes down to whether you believe he was proving something and whether you think it was worth it. You obviously don't on both counts so there's not gonna be any good here as far as you're concerned. I am just choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however slight it is. This time next year I will not be so easy going.

Fair enough.

I understand that you and others share this view.

We'll agree to disagree, as I cannot see any positive message coming from this situation.

dallaschiefsfan · 09-28-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, I don't think anyone knows anything about Haley.

He coordinated an offense with Hall of Fame players for two years.

Before that, he bounced around the league for a decade as a receivers coach.

He may prove to be a successful, quality head coach.

Or, he may not.

I approve of (and actually agree with) this.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

oh JFC, now Haley is a pussy?

Quitting, as he did yesterday, is a pussy move, yes.

Is he a pussy? I tend to doubt it, but who knows.

FAX · 09-28-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Herm didn't get that luxury, I'm not sure why so many are stepping up and giving the benefit of the doubt to Haley.

If Herm were still the coach, there would be countless threads criticizing the playcalling and saying he hates to pass, Arena ball, 3yds and dust, run it up the center's ass, R2P2, etc. Haley does the same shit and it's all for the sake of progress.

This isn't a "one size fits all" world, Mr. KC Fish.

There are significant differences between those two coaches and their respective approach to the game. The R2P2 reflected Herm's intrinsic, conservative, philosophical approach to offense. No one really believes that Haley really wants to run an offense like that.

Haley represents the hope that, as a fan, you'll experience eventual progress and improvement. Herm represents the hope that, as a fan, you'll be run over by a concrete mixer on the freeway.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Well then. The front office should stand up and take notice. You're obviously someone they should be listening to.

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

. Ok, then. Thanks for sharing.

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Are you forgetting that Haley was on offensive coordinator before coming here? He isn't new to calling plays at all. Please find another excuse.

*sigh* I don't mean his inexperience, I mean it takes time to instill "his way" or whatever you want to call it. I believe that's what he was doing. Proving a point and getting down to the absolute fundamentals of offense that our team sucks at. The second half was basically on the job training for our o-line. You may not believe that, but Haley's history with powerful offenses gives him enough credit with me that I'm not gonna dismiss him as a shitty play caller.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

but Haley's history with powerful offenses gives him enough credit with me that I'm not gonna dismiss him as a shitty play caller.

But I don't think anyone is calling this into question. What is yet to be determined, however, is whether Haley is in over his head as a HC, especially with all of his additional responsibilities.

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, I don't think anyone knows anything about Haley.

He coordinated an offense with Hall of Fame players for two years.

Before that, he bounced around the league for a decade as a receivers coach.

He may prove to be a successful, quality head coach.

Or, he may not.

True.

I am staying optimistic for the time being. However, Haley still has a lot to prove.

09-28-2009, 07:36 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1205873	I like what Haley did yesterday... 3 yards rushing in the 1st half? No, you are going to run the **ing ball. You are not going to be allowed to drop back and watch your QB get killed because you can't run the ing ball. It is similar to making a hitter lay a bunt down with 2 strikes after he couldn't do it on strikes 1 and 2. Fatlock can cry that Haley isn't treating them like men all he wants. He needs to stick to his doublestuffs. This team isn't going to compete for a playoff spot anyway so this is exactly the time to pull stunts like this. You want to win? You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to run the ball. 3 **ing yards in 1 half is pathetic and I don't blame Haley one bit for what he did. It isn't like we had 30 yards in the 1st half..we had 3. Three. Unacceptable, PERIOD! Dropping back to pass would have resulted in Cassel being broken into pieces. I don't know what game Fatlock and some others watched, but I saw one that showed me our O line was there in name only. Had we dropped back, which is exactly what Philly wanted, we would be cussing about the picks Cassel threw or the fact that Brokie would be the starter for the next several weeks cause of Cassel being hurt.
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