Football This Sanchez Chap - Page 13

**Donger** · 09-28-2009, 09:04 PM

I fully admit that I'm not very savvy when it comes to football, but while watching the Chiefs game this weekend, CBS suddenly turned to the Jets' game instead (I'm not really sure why). Anyway, the Jets had a QB named Sanchez that seemed really good a throwing the ball (which is, I think, the primary goal of a QB). So, I started thinking: "I think this is the chap who the Chiefs could have drafted this year, but didn't."

Is that correct?

If so, how much are the Jets paying this Sanchez fellow in comparison to Cassel?

Thanks.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

still waiting.

Seeing as you don't think anything he did counts before he put on the red jersey judging by your past post, I really can't have this debate with you.

You would be like a man in a gunfight without even a knife.

stevieray · 09-28-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

should

this will be the premise of the entire season.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM

I'm waiting for Stevie to tell us why all of the tape on Cassel from last year doesn't count.

stevieray · 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Seeing as you don't think anything he did counts before he put on the red jersey judging by your past post, I really can't have this debate with you.

You would be like a man in a gunfight without even a knife.

please prove I've ever stated I think the Chiefs are the best, or just

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Are you kidding me?

QBs don't decline until about 35. He doesn't have to win now. We have 7 or 8 ****ing years to win with him.

Stop acting like he's Brett Favre. He has 5 less years of shelf life than Sanchez. We get it. But saying a 27-year old QB is a win now QB is exaggeration at its finest.

Actually, most QBs start to decline at about 32-33.

Marino, Aikman, Young, Favre, Montana.

Look at their stats. Usually a QBs best years are from 28-32.

The good thing about QBs is that their declines are more gradual than any other position, so we do have that going for us.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Lacks poise in the pocket
Doesn't operate well under center
Has poor accuracy beyond short range
Hasn't performed without absolutely elite talent around him
Takes too many sacks

But yeah, basically just "27, 27, 27".

Actually, Cassel handled the pocket as admirably as you can expect of a QB with lousy protection on Sunday. Taking only 3 sacks despite an abortion of a performance from the o-line isn't bad, and on most passes, he took a pretty big shot after delivering his pass. And his accuracy is fine beyond short range--he just has to prove he can hit the deep ball, which I think is the most overrated element of a QB's game. As for the "elite talent," he also hasn't proven that he can't perform well without elite talent.

Of course he has plenty to prove, but you also leave out the part about Cassel improving pretty significantly last year on most of those things you just spoke about.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

this will be the premise of the entire season.

Then it's been a complete waste and a very disappointing start to Pioli's tenure in KC.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

please prove I've ever stated I think the Chiefs are the best, or just

.

If you don't think that's pretty obvious in the way you post by telling us we're bad fans and the forum sucks now and all of that...what are you trying to say?

**tyler360** · 09-28-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Now no one who posts here really wants him to fail. Saying you think we made the wrong move or you think he'll fail and wanting him to fail aren't the same.

Honest question, maybe it's just me, but the trade for Cassel just spoke to me as typical Chiefs move. Have a chance to draft a guy and you go with the trade, it's moves like that, that I've been dealing with my entire life with this franchise.

It was a typical Chiefs move and it is what makes it hard to be a Chiefs fan. I think he will fail because he isnt as talented as advertised and because of this god awful line that has been put in front of him.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Actually, Cassel handled the pocket as admirably as you can expect of a QB with lousy protection on Sunday. Taking only 3 sacks despite an abortion of a performance from the o-line isn't bad, and on most passes, he took a pretty big shot after delivering his pass. And his accuracy is fine beyond short range--he just has to prove he can hit the deep ball, which I think is the most overrated element of a QB's game. As for the "elite talent," he also hasn't proven that he can't perform well without elite talent.

Of course he has plenty to prove, but you also leave out the part about Cassel improving pretty significantly last year on most of those things you just spoke about.

The gameplan ensured that he couldn't take more than 3 sacks. He basically never threw beyond 5 yards and he hardly threw at all in the second half.

I'm afraid that the game was managed for Cassel; he certainly wasn't managing anything, except to facilitate the futile handoffs.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The gameplan ensured that he couldn't take more than 3 sacks. He basically never threw beyond 5 yards and he hardly threw at all in the second half.

I'm afraid that the game was managed for Cassel; he certainly wasn't managing anything, except to facilitate the futile handoffs.

That was what I thought too it was like they just went "yea we give up, hand that off get this game oover with make sure Matt doesn't get hit or look to bad"

**tyler360** · 09-28-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And that's really the deal.

Bunch of rage that been building up over the last 26 years.

Is that right? Wow, mother****. 26 ****ing years. This franchise.

I am a young guy and did not start following the chiefs till the Vermeil years and i am already tired of this stuff I could not imagine 26 years you are a better man than I am for it

**Reaper16** · 09-28-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

I've yet to see Gabbert play, but I have to ask, if he's THAT good, why did he choose to play in Missouri?

Because he's from Missouri and MU is an up-and-coming program and **** you.

**DeezNutz** · 09-28-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I am a young guy and did not start following the chiefs till the Vermeil years and i am already tired of this stuff I could not imagine 26 years you are a better man than I am for it

Since '83 dude, the last time we went all in to try to draft and develop our own franchise QB.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-28-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The gameplan ensured that he couldn't take more than 3 sacks. He basically never threw beyond 5 yards and he hardly threw at all in the second half.

I'm afraid that the game was managed for Cassel; he certainly wasn't managing anything, except to facilitate the futile handoffs.

Who's fault was that? He was dumping off short 5 yard passes and he was STILL getting walloped.

If your pass protection can't protect you long enough to drop back and throw to your first option, what can a QB possibly do?

It had nothing to do with the gameplan. And it most certainly wasn't adjusted for Cassel. It was adjusted because no QB on earth could have possibly made anything happen against that poor of protection.

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