Chiefs Who to draft in 2010 - Page 6

**Bane** · 10-05-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

For all the talk of position value last year with Curry and then eventually Jackson, why does it seem like some of the same people are petitioning for Mays and Berry? Has the following been said here?

You just don't take a safety in the top 5. JFC. Do you realize you are potentially guaranteeing more than double the amount of guarantees set in the current contracts of Sanders, Reed, and Polamalu?/CP draft expert

I know they are playmakers but.....

Drafting for talent and potential talent is reeruned in the first place.That was Herm's mind set,draft the best player available and he will deliver.

beach tribe · 10-05-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie

For all the talk of position value last year with Curry and then eventually Jackson, why does it seem like some of the same people are petitioning for Mays and Berry? Has the following been said here?

You just don't take a safety in the top 5. JFC. Do you realize you are potentially guaranteeing more than double the amount of guarantees set in the current contracts of Sanders, Reed, and Polamalu?/CP draft expert

I know they are playmakers but.....

Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

beach tribe · 10-05-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-05-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

This is a fair argument. With Reed, Sanders, and Polamalu all making impact on championship teams it looks like it may have influenced the Draft in 06 and 07. Huff, Whitner, Allen, Landry, Griffin, Nelson, and Meriweather were all picked relatively high though just 3 of them went in the top 15. However if you look at the last two drafts--though maybe thin at Safety--only Kenny Phillips went in the first round as the 31st pick. I don't see enough evidence in this trend to really change my argument

beach tribe · 10-05-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I really hate the argument "how many championships did we win with a dominant OL in the 90's."

Other than a really good OL, what else don't we need?

We didn't win any championships with Allen or DT, so I guess KC doesn't need a good pass rusher.

We didn't win any championships with TG, so I guess we don't need a really good TE.

We didn't win any championships with Saleamua on the line, so I guess we don't need a NT.

We didn't win any championships with Carter and Hasty at CB, so I guess we don't need any really good corners.

We didn't win any championships with Cherry or Albert, so I guess we don't need any really good DBs.

We didn't win any championships with Holmes, so I guess we don't need a HB who can score 20+ TDs a year.

We don't have any of the above, so I guess we're set. We'll start winning real soon.

This is true. It's not the offenses fault that we had absolutely 0 talent on defense during the Vermeil years. If we would have had a top 18 D on those teams, we probably would have gotten a Lombardi.

Jerm · 10-05-2009, 07:51 AM

I'm hoping A.J. Green continues his great season and comes out...I'd take a flyer on him, what the hell.
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**Tribal Warfare** · 10-05-2009, 08:12 AM

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I'm hoping A.J. Green continues his great season and comes out...I'd take a flyer on him, what the hell.
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He's a true sophmore, he's not eligible yet.

Jerm · 10-05-2009, 08:32 AM

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He's a true sophmore, he's not eligible yet.

D'oh my bad...thought he was a Junior.
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Lono · 10-05-2009, 08:32 AM

We suck so bad just draft the best player. Both 2nd round picks should be on OL. 1st for a WR or Berry/Mays. I would not be opposed to trade our picks for young proven talent.

Mr. Laz · 10-05-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lono

We suck so bad just draft the best player. Both 2nd round picks should be on OL. 1st for a WR or Berry/Mays. I would not be opposed to trade our picks for young proven talent.

so first you say draft the best player ... then go on to say draft by need.

which is it?

Lono · 10-05-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

so first you say draft the best player ... then go on to say draft by need.

which is it?

I'm sorry I didn't make that real clear. With our number 1 pick you take bpa. Then fix our line.

Frankie · 10-05-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

Ok, assuming we have a top 3 pick which I'm sure we will, the O-line is the biggest issue, along with a lot of other issues but that is first. So why not do this.

1st- Best Tackle
2nd- Best Guard
2nd - Best Guard

3-7 fill in the blanks.

This would put us in a good situation and would have a good line for the next 8-10 years, assuming none of them have career ending injuries.

1- LT (move Albert to LG and Waters to RG)
2- RT
2- Speedy WR who can get open.
3- RB, TE, or S (the best of the bunch available)
4- C
5- (From list on 3)
6- BAA
7- BAA

MVChiefFan · 10-05-2009, 09:13 AM

I'm just a little pissed that there are TWO stud safeties that will be there. Because you know we're going to draft the Ryan Sims of safeties.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-05-2009, 09:20 AM

Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream......

I don't want a WR.... because I want AJ green in 2011. Not kidding here. I would trade up to get this kid. I just wish he could come out after this year. I am afraid that the Chiefs may be drafting too low in 2011 to have a shot...

I don't want a QB.... in the first round because I think Matt Cassel can do the job.

I don't want a TE.... because there is NO TE worthy of a top ten pick.

I don't want a RB because they have a short shelf life and teams can find one later in the draft.

I don't want a safety, because I think that it is rare to find a safety worthy of a top ten pick.

I would prefer not to get a LT.... because I feel like Albert can be a good LT, and the Chiefs can solve the RT problems later in the draft.

I don't want a CB because I think that is one of the Chiefs's strongest positions.

Guard, center and fullback would be ridiculous.

So, that leaves us with NT and linebacker. As much as I would like a huge NT to take up space, this defense needs playmakers.

Considering you can find good ILB talent later in the draft, I think the Chiefs have to go with pass rusher.

Hali has looked pretty good coming off the edge and has been doubled quite a bit. If the Chiefs can get another good rusher coming from the other side, a true speed rusher.... then the Chiefs pass rush may look quite a bit better.

That is assuming that they can't trade the pick. Because frankly, the Chiefs have enough areas to upgrade that a trade down would be great.

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MVChiefFan Veteran Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Here Casino cash: $-2227525	I'm just a little pissed that there are TWO stud safeties that will be there. Because you know we're going to draft the Ryan Sims of safeties. __________________ I haven’t slept for ten days straight… because that would be way too long.
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10-05-2009, 09:20 AM	#15
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream...... I don't want a WR.... because I want AJ green in 2011. Not kidding here. I would trade up to get this kid. I just wish he could come out after this year. I am afraid that the Chiefs may be drafting too low in 2011 to have a shot... I don't want a QB.... in the first round because I think Matt Cassel can do the job. I don't want a TE.... because there is NO TE worthy of a top ten pick. I don't want a RB because they have a short shelf life and teams can find one later in the draft. I don't want a safety, because I think that it is rare to find a safety worthy of a top ten pick. I would prefer not to get a LT.... because I feel like Albert can be a good LT, and the Chiefs can solve the RT problems later in the draft. I don't want a CB because I think that is one of the Chiefs's strongest positions. Guard, center and fullback would be ridiculous. So, that leaves us with NT and linebacker. As much as I would like a huge NT to take up space, this defense needs playmakers. Considering you can find good ILB talent later in the draft, I think the Chiefs have to go with pass rusher. Hali has looked pretty good coming off the edge and has been doubled quite a bit. If the Chiefs can get another good rusher coming from the other side, a true speed rusher.... then the Chiefs pass rush may look quite a bit better. That is assuming that they can't trade the pick. Because frankly, the Chiefs have enough areas to upgrade that a trade down would be great.
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