Chiefs What were your impressions of the game? - Page 2

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 08:24 AM

The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game.

Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises?

For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking.

Give me your take.

keg in kc · 10-05-2009, 09:14 AM

The o-line was horrible about 90% of the time. Cassel is becoming a master of the one-step drop. Speaking of Cassel, it wasn't his best day. He was consistently behind his receivers.

The defense was almost as bad. Parts of the game were reminiscent of the beating the Ravens put on KC.

As far as anybody playing well, I would say the corners played well for the most part after getting smoked for the first 20 minutes of the game (which is a real good sign for Flowers - he's a guy where giving up one play doesn't screw up his whole day), Hali looked mostly competent and Dorsey looked okay, while the middle linebackers and safeties were about what you'd expect.

There were no bright spots on offense. People will try to tell you the running game was better, but it really wasn't, outside of a single series in the first quarter where they were able to gain yardage on three consecutive plays (8, 7 and 5 yards) and the occasional random long run in the middle of a veritable sea of 0-3 yard carries. The passing game was abysmal. Cassel had no semblence of a pocket, the timing (and his accuracy) in the short passing game was off, screen passes didn't work. It was pretty brutal.

The only reason the score was as close as it was was Manning taking himself out of the game by tripping over his own feet and bruising his heel. If he plays more in the second half, they probably end up over 30. He was just rolling us.

Tom_A_Hawk · 10-05-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game.

Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises?

For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking.

Give me your take.

in a nutshell, nothing good about yesterday's game.....

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

There were no bright spots on offense. People will try to tell you the running game was better, but it really wasn't, outside of a single series in the first quarter where they were able to gain yardage on three consecutive plays (8, 7 and 5 yards) and the occasional random long run in the middle of a veritable sea of 0-3 yard carries.

Bullshit!

LJ had 84 yards midway through the fourth quarter...then we commenced with the "draw for a five-yard loss" gameplan.

The running game definitely made steps yesterday.

Tom_A_Hawk · 10-05-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Bullshit!

LJ had 84 yards midway through the fourth quarter...then we commenced with the "draw for a five-yard loss" gameplan.

The running game definitely made steps yesterday.

18 carries for 53 yards is steps?

LaChapelle · 10-05-2009, 10:26 AM

Haley's got a hammer and a chisel trying to take down a different concrete wall every week. He'll try this and that with little success. Eventually they'll get something that'll work or a weaker wall to work against. He's learning what works and what doesn't.

**ChiTown** · 10-05-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Bullshit!

LJ had 84 yards midway through the fourth quarter...then we commenced with the "draw for a five-yard loss" gameplan.

The running game definitely made steps yesterday.

18 for 53 - 2.9 ypc. Making Steps? Like stepping off a bridge, maybe?

**Gonzo** · 10-05-2009, 10:29 AM

This is my impression...

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_A_Hawk

18 carries for 53 yards is steps?

You sound like you didn't even watch the game.

Larry had carries that went for 8, 7, 5, 4, 15, 10, 3, 19 and 7 yards.

That's 9 carries for 78 yards.

We got good production from the running game yesterday. If the passing game wasn't a complete cluster****, we could actually put some drives together. Sad...

wild1 · 10-05-2009, 10:36 AM

The good: Flowers and Carr were good considering the circumstances. I think Dorsey continues to improve week by week. Vrabel and Hali had a decent game. Definite upgrade at right tackle.

The bad: Our safeties are terrible. Run defense borders on terrible. Team has an aptitude to screw something up at the worst time. Offense is amazing in its ability to not get anything right. Defenses just take away Bowe and they've solved it all. Larry Johnson is looking old. Waters IMO is not what he used to be. Cassel was not great, but passable, especially considering he has little weapons and little chance to get into any rhythm

wild1 · 10-05-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

You sound like you didn't even watch the game.

Larry had carries that went for 8, 7, 5, 4, 15, 10, 3, 19 and 7 yards.

That's 9 carries for 78 yards.

We got good production from the running game yesterday. If the passing game wasn't a complete cluster****, we could actually put some drives together. Sad...

You're saying the ground game opened up after the Giants were up 20-3? That's amazing.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1

You're saying the ground game opened up after the Giants were up 20-3? That's amazing.

The running attack produced all game.

LJ had 46 yards at halftime.

JD10367 · 10-05-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I can't believe KC went into the offseason knowing the OL and pass rush were in shambles and didn't do much to address it. The OL and pass rush was poor, again. Surprise.

I thinK Pioli's a smart guy. And I think he and Haley will do good things in KC. And I give Pioli a bit of a pass because he was unfamiliar with the player-personnel on the Chiefs, and was probably hoping/thinking that he could salvage something there.

However, having said all that... I now concede that a.) he didn't draft/FA as well as he could have and b.) even if he knew Thigpen whacked it and Croyle might be fragile, he was probably better off NOT going after a new QB from another team but instead using that money on the O-line and D-line. Football games are won in the trenches. You can find a QB in the draft, even in a late round. And with a better O-line Thigpen and Croyle could've "held the fort" (as Parcells likes to say) until a franchise QB could be drafted/developed. In hindsight, it didn't make sense to pony up big bucks to Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Cassel is a bad QB. I'm not even saying it was a bad signing. I'm just saying it might have not been the best direction for the Chiefs to go given their state. Hell, Pioli could've signed a cheap re-tread like Jeff Garcia if he wanted to improve the QB situation while seeing what else he had around him.

Just Passin' By · 10-05-2009, 10:43 AM

WRs couldn't get quick separation

O-line couldn't hold off that Giants pass rush long enough for WR to shake free

You can't put the ball on the carpet on the first play of the game against a top 5 team

The Chiefs got jobbed by the officials, and that took a relatively close game and turned it into a fait accompli.

The D-line was unable to hold up at the point of attack

Dropped passes continue to hurt the team

Cassel was about a half-step behind with a lot of his throws

The WRs didn't use their bodies to influence the defenders on lobs to the end zone

Waters and Albert continued their struggles

There were some pretty good things happening out there, given the competition. You won't hear much about them from the riled masses or the shit stirrers in the media, though.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Bullshit!

LJ had 84 yards midway through the fourth quarter...then we commenced with the "draw for a five-yard loss" gameplan.

The running game definitely made steps yesterday.

You are absolutely freaking out of your mind.

LJ finished the day with 53 yards.

Cassel, running for his life, had 25 yards. Don't pretend like those were designed plays.

Charles had 2 carries for 24 yards, with a long of 24 yards. That came on the final drive, when it hardly mattered.

So while statistically they had more than 100 yards, the stats clearly don't tell the entire story.

Or even part of it.

The run games still has serious, serious problems.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The running attack produced all game.

LJ had 46 yards at halftime.

Crack is bad.

Seek help.

10-05-2009, 08:24 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8119900	What were your impressions of the game? The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game. Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises? For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking. Give me your take.
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10-05-2009, 09:14 AM	#16
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The o-line was horrible about 90% of the time. Cassel is becoming a master of the one-step drop. Speaking of Cassel, it wasn't his best day. He was consistently behind his receivers. The defense was almost as bad. Parts of the game were reminiscent of the beating the Ravens put on KC. As far as anybody playing well, I would say the corners played well for the most part after getting smoked for the first 20 minutes of the game (which is a real good sign for Flowers - he's a guy where giving up one play doesn't screw up his whole day), Hali looked mostly competent and Dorsey looked okay, while the middle linebackers and safeties were about what you'd expect. There were no bright spots on offense. People will try to tell you the running game was better, but it really wasn't, outside of a single series in the first quarter where they were able to gain yardage on three consecutive plays (8, 7 and 5 yards) and the occasional random long run in the middle of a veritable sea of 0-3 yard carries. The passing game was abysmal. Cassel had no semblence of a pocket, the timing (and his accuracy) in the short passing game was off, screen passes didn't work. It was pretty brutal. The only reason the score was as close as it was was Manning taking himself out of the game by tripping over his own feet and bruising his heel. If he plays more in the second half, they probably end up over 30. He was just rolling us.
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10-05-2009, 10:26 AM	#20
LaChapelle Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Haley's got a hammer and a chisel trying to take down a different concrete wall every week. He'll try this and that with little success. Eventually they'll get something that'll work or a weaker wall to work against. He's learning what works and what doesn't.
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10-05-2009, 10:36 AM	#24
wild1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 31040 Casino cash: $10004900	The good: Flowers and Carr were good considering the circumstances. I think Dorsey continues to improve week by week. Vrabel and Hali had a decent game. Definite upgrade at right tackle. The bad: Our safeties are terrible. Run defense borders on terrible. Team has an aptitude to screw something up at the worst time. Offense is amazing in its ability to not get anything right. Defenses just take away Bowe and they've solved it all. Larry Johnson is looking old. Waters IMO is not what he used to be. Cassel was not great, but passable, especially considering he has little weapons and little chance to get into any rhythm
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10-05-2009, 10:43 AM	#28
Just Passin' By In Search of a Life Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $5450524	WRs couldn't get quick separation O-line couldn't hold off that Giants pass rush long enough for WR to shake free You can't put the ball on the carpet on the first play of the game against a top 5 team The Chiefs got jobbed by the officials, and that took a relatively close game and turned it into a fait accompli. The D-line was unable to hold up at the point of attack Dropped passes continue to hurt the team Cassel was about a half-step behind with a lot of his throws The WRs didn't use their bodies to influence the defenders on lobs to the end zone Waters and Albert continued their struggles There were some pretty good things happening out there, given the competition. You won't hear much about them from the riled masses or the shit stirrers in the media, though.
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