Chiefs Thank goodness Allen is gone. - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 06:48 AM

If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes.

CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement.

With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now.

The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs.

And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season.

Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre.

This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's.

But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game.

So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction.

So, good riddance Jared Allen.

dtrain · 10-06-2009, 08:10 AM

JA wasn't going to resign with the Chiefs because King Carl pissed him off!

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by munkey

The Green Bay second and third string offensive lineman are better than our starters...

Did they not put up 20 points? We'd be lucky to get three points against Minny's "D".

They have more talent outside of the offensive line, especially at QB.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Bullshit.

Keeping the best defensive player the team has had in a decade as he's entering his prime is laying the foundation for a good team.

The Chiefs needed to overcome years of poor draft and free agent evaluation. They didn't need to overcome the one time they got lucky.

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Last night with Clifton and Colledge out it was pretty Chiefs esq.

It was worse than the Chiefs. The Packers have enough other talent to make up for it, but the actual offensive line is worse.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Exactly.

wild1 · 10-06-2009, 08:25 AM

It doesn't matter, it only happened because Carl was the GM, and Carl's gone now, so whatever. If you want to blame someone, blame Lamar Hunt for it, because he was still committed to Carl Peterson after a decade of crap.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 08:26 AM

They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.

wild1 · 10-06-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Just like Tony Gonzalez would have gone into the Hall of Fame with 0 playoff wins.

Just like Will Shields will go into the Hall of Fame with 0 playoff wins.

Etc.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.

Not when you consider the offense and secondary was much better in 2008.

With Allen on last years team, they win at least six games.... heck, they may have even won the division.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not when you consider the offense and secondary was much better in 2008.

With Allen on last years team, they win at least six games.... heck, they may have even won the division.

ooook.

jspchief · 10-06-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you overcome poor drafting and free agent evaluation with a GM who became KNOWN for those two things?

Jared Allen wins us JUST enough games to keep Carl employed. And Carl continues to screw up in the draft and free agency. Jared Allen ends his career with a bunch of sacks and no playoff wins.

Ownership needed to fire Peterson. The notion that you needed to allow the team to freefall down the drain so you can make FO changes is silly.

It's like saying "thank god Joe died in that car accident, because now all Joe's friends wear their seatbelts."

It's easy to say that move was the catalyst for the end of Peterson's regime, and it may have been. But we don't know that for certain, as Clark Hunt hadn't really had a chance to show us what he would do yet.

The assumption that Clark wouldn't have ever pulled that trigger is just more reason to expect more years of failure. Even if it was necessary to set these changes in motion, I still can't see it as anything other than a negative.

wild1 · 10-06-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Not when you consider the offense and secondary was much better in 2008.

With Allen on last years team, they win at least six games.... heck, they may have even won the division.

Yeah, Jared Allen = 7 more wins.

Cocaine is bad.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.

And Peterson didn't get fired.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And Peterson didn't get fired.

Peterson didn't get fired because they lost 2 more games than they did the year before. He got fired because it was time.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

ooook.

The Chiefs lost seven games by seven points or less.

They lost four games by four points or less.

I said the Chiefs would have won at least six games. If Jared Allen wouldn't have made an impact in at least four of those seven games.... then he isn't an impact player.

10-06-2009, 06:48 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Thank goodness Allen is gone. If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes. CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement. With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now. The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs. And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season. Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre. This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's. But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game. So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction. So, good riddance Jared Allen.
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wild1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 31040 Casino cash: $10004900	It doesn't matter, it only happened because Carl was the GM, and Carl's gone now, so whatever. If you want to blame someone, blame Lamar Hunt for it, because he was still committed to Carl Peterson after a decade of crap.
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10-06-2009, 08:26 AM	#22
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	They won 4 games the last year Allen was here. Kind of grenades your little theory.
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