Chiefs At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 04:32 PM

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Herm used rebuilding to buy himself another year excuse free...it blew up in his face, thankfully....

You're wrong. Herm wanted to rebuild in 2006 and again in 2007.

Peterson said no both times.

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Herm only had a job because of Carl.

This is intellectually dishonest.

Herm had taken the NY Jets to the playoffs three out of five years. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for him, it's likely that he would have gotten another job elsewhere.

Don't pretend to know more than you do.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Period. And if he wasn't under Carl's thumb and truly "bold" he would have rebuilt right away...and not stuck with Gunther.

So, when you're hired by the President of a company that you know needs to be re-organized, you just walk in the door and say "X, X and X need to happen, NOW, Mother****er"?

Given the level of intelligence you repeatedly display in this forum, I find that highly unlikely.

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Herm brought us Huard and Croyle and Thigpen. Whoppity ****ing doo.

Again, more bullshit from the Talking Can.

Huard had been on the Chiefs roster since 2004. Croyle was a third round draft choice. Thigpen was a waiver pick up who BTW, just netted a draft pick in return. Croyle played better than the $60 million dollar man.

What a load of horseshit.

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fascinating to watch history being re-written in this thread....Herm the great talent evaluator! Herm the bold rebuilder! Herm the great motivator!

Rewritten? Again, WTF are you talking about?

And I'll tell you what: I'll take the 2008 draft every day of the week over the 2009 draft.

**SAUTO** · 10-06-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're wrong. Herm wanted to rebuild in 2006 and again in 2007.

Peterson said no both times.

This is intellectually dishonest.

Herm had taken the NY Jets to the playoffs three out of five years. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for him, it's likely that he would have gotten another job elsewhere.

Don't pretend to know more than you do.

So, when you're hired by the President of a company that you know needs to be re-organized, you just walk in the door and say "X, X and X need to happen, NOW, Mother****er"?

Given the level of intelligence you repeatedly display in this forum, I find that highly unlikely.

Again, more bullshit from the Talking Can.

Huard had been on the Chiefs roster since 2004. Croyle was a third round draft choice. Thigpen was a waiver pick up who BTW, just netted a draft pick in return. Croyle played better than the $60 million dollar man.

What a load of horseshit.

Rewritten? Again, WTF are you talking about?

And I'll tell you what: I'll take the 2008 draft every day of the week over the 2009 draft.

dane, there are MANY posts on this site that bash herm for his talent evaluation. i'm too busy to search but i would bet you have at least a couple

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dane, there are MANY posts on this site that bash herm for his talent evaluation. i'm too busy to search but i would bet you have at least a couple

Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

keg in kc · 10-06-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

**SAUTO** · 10-06-2009, 05:26 PM

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Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

dane i wouldnt bash you. but i do recall your posts about this being the LEAST talented team in football. many in fact. who was responsible for that? herm and carl. the blame falls on both

**DeezNutz** · 10-06-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dane i wouldnt bash you. but i do recall your posts about this being the LEAST talented team in football. many in fact. who was responsible for that? herm and carl. the blame falls on both

Carl, then DV, then...................Herm.

The only talent on the team comes from the Herm years. DV and Carl's blind loyalty and indiscretion to Grandpa are the elements that really ****ed this franchise.

Reerun_KC · 10-06-2009, 06:04 PM

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Carl, then DV, then...................Herm.

The only talent on the team comes from the Herm years. DV and Carl's blind loyalty and indiscretion to Grandpa are the elements that really ****ed this franchise.

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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....

**SAUTO** · 10-06-2009, 06:08 PM

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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....

yep.

Mecca · 10-06-2009, 06:13 PM

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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....

While true the switching of defensive schemes made those guys either more incompetent or completely useless.

**SAUTO** · 10-06-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

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Dude, you're preaching to the pastor.

I've been complaining about the Chiefs drafts on the 'Planet for years. I've been saying since 2007 that the roster has been depleted of talent. I've been countering people who told me that guys like Kevin Samson and Will Svittek and Tre Stallings "just needed time".

This roster is the least talented in the NFL and it's going to take a few years, at best, before they've got guys that can take over a game and WIN.

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Nah.

This is the most talent-depleted roster in the entire league.

The team that Marty took over had a plethora of high first and high second round picks.

The current roster is pretty much crap.

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While that's true to some extent, let's not confuse the Chiefs 2008 roster with the roster of the 1994 Dallas Cowboys, 1989 49ers or even the current elite teams such as the Giants, Panthers, Ravens and Patriots.

The Chiefs have a few more drafts and several holes to fill in free-agency before declaring this roster "talented".

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here are just a few posts dane. all from this year 2009. the 2nd from last was 1-29-2009

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 05:36 PM

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here are just a few posts dane. all from this year 2009.[/quote]

Jason, I wasn't talking about the drafts that occurred in 2007 and 2008 (hell, really not even 2009).

I don't really have a problem with Herm's drafts, especially 2008.

It's other people that have a problem with Herm, period.

**SAUTO** · 10-06-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

here are just a few posts dane. all from this year 2009.

Jason, I wasn't talking about the drafts that occurred in 2007 and 2008 (hell, really not even 2009).

I don't really have a problem with Herm's drafts, especially 2008.

It's other people that have a problem with Herm, period.[/QUOTE]

dane if herms drafts were so great how could we have the least talented roster in the league?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dane if herms drafts were so great how could we have the least talented roster in the league?

Jason, how many draft picks are there per year?

Oh, that's right: 7.

So, if the Chiefs hit on every single player during Herm's three year tenure (which is virtually impossible for any team to achieve), that's 21 players.

21 players. Out of 53.

Now, that nonsense aside, let's say the Chiefs went 4-3 this year instead of ****ing up the last three years and changing to the 3-4.

The Chiefs would have Flowers, Carr, Page, Hali, Dorsey, Turk, Tank, Albert, Cottam, Charles, Morgan, Pollard, Bowe, Leggett, Derrick Johnson and Kolby Smith as their building blocks.

How many guys is that? 16 guys. 16 guys out of 53.

You still need another seven very good players to complete your starting roster, which the Chiefs STILL do not have. Center, Right Guard, Right Tackle, two linebackers, two wide receivers, two running backs and a ton of depth. Oh, and a QB.

I'd say that's the least talented roster in the league, especially given that many of those guys are nothing more than average.

Fish · 10-06-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dane if herms drafts were so great how could we have the least talented roster in the league?

We've had the least talented roster for a lot longer than most people realized. It was masked by several factors. Petersen became an absolute genius on how to have a borderline horrible team and still keep people entertained just enough not to jump. And that went on for a long time. He ignored the draft and placated fans with mediocrity. He satisfied fans with Tony G, and neglected the WR position. He sold fans on the TE being the leading receiver for years. Which is a travesty. He loaded up the offense for a while, and neglected the defense. But we still won just enough and threw enough TDs that fans held hope. Even though he let our defense get so bad we couldn't do a damn thing with the powerful offense. Realistically we didn't have a legit chance. But he kept the team borderline enough to drag fans along, while the roster got older and older and those long contracts were all getting bigger and bigger. It was safer to overpay old guys that they knew then taking chances on draft guys or inexperienced players. Those contracts built up and the roster got older and the backups got worse. He didn't bother trying to draft a QB, because it was much safer to go with has-beens for modest contracts. And the plan worked. The front office got stale and nobody pushed for significant change because nobody wanted to rock the boat.

Herm stepped in and at least made an effort to change the ways of the franchise. We needed to put more focus on the draft and create competition and he planned to emphasize that. He saw the need for the team to get younger. He ended up being a really crappy game day coach.

That's how I think we landed the worst talented roster in the league.