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chiefs1111 · 08:13 AM

Braylon Edwards traded to the Jets Mort on Mike and Mike just broke it

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

But Pioli had Cassel for two years (this season and the next if the CBA doesn't get renewed) without having to ink a new deal in the first place.

This is a point that is overlooked: Those 2 years would cost us the same as what we actually guaranteed him. if he doesnt work out 28 mil if it does work we got a good deal

philfree · 10-07-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why the hell are you asking me? I'm in Hollywood, not Kansas City.

How would I know?

Especially considering it's Fort ****ing Arrowhead One now.

LOL 'Fort Arrowhead' I like it. Whitlock will probably use that one.

PhilFree

**2112** · 10-07-2009, 11:18 AM

I'm wondering if Mangini is still on the Jets payroll..lol..this is farking awesome!

Reerun_KC · 10-07-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why the hell are you asking me? I'm in Hollywood, not Kansas City.

How would I know?

Especially considering it's Fort ****ing Arrowhead One now.

The way everyone is reacting?

everyone is bitching about this and that, not the right 53 blah blah blah, has anyone heard for sure they didnt make an attempt for him?

nychief · 10-07-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

This isn't politics. No one was asking for "change". People were asking for IMPROVEMENT.

Every team across the league has improved this offseason, save for the Chiefs. EVERY ****ING TEAM.

Denver hired a new coach and GM, have seven new starters on defense and are the top ranked D in the league. Ask yourself: Why couldn't that be the Chiefs?

The offensive line has been THE worst in the league since 2007 (and it was close in 2006). Since 2006, the have had injuries occur to ALL FOUR STARTING QB's! Shouldn't that be a ****ing RED FLAG?

All Pioli did is sign a 33 year old never was in Mike Goof. What did that get him? An injured $63 million dollar QB in preseason game THREE. And he still hasn't recovered.

Also, do you understand that the Chiefs have now spent their last three TOP PICKS, round one in 2008, round one in 2009 and round three in 2009 on FIVE TECH DEFENSIVE ENDS? That's not only unheard of, it's a complete waste of opportunity.

What's even WORSE is that Pioli's next move was not to address the offensive line but to draft a CORNERBACK!! WHAT? What's wrong with Flowers & Carr from the 2008 draft? Oh yeah, NOTHING!

This has been one gigantic cluster**** from day one.

First off this self-righteous indignation is silly. Do you think that the roster was a couple players away? That just because CP drafted a boat load of bust in the pervious 3 years we should run the 4-3? That's idiotic. It's simply pissing in the wind. Pioli took the job, probably thinking it was - using a medical analogy - a bypass operation - only to find that the patient was Terry Schiavo. He had to pull the plug and start from scratch. This team was in shambles after years of poor drafting and leaning on either too old or too untalented players. There are holes EVERYWHERE and there are only so many draft choices a team has... Second guessing is fine - but use some context. If we had drafted Jason Smith - we'd have ****ing Brokie still getting killed and everybody would be up in arms about it. If we had drafted Sanchez - nothing would have changed - Dirty would be just as dead as Cassel looks.

If we look at this honestly - there were simply too many holes and changes to be made to expect a good year.

I think we need to think (HOPE TO HELL) that this a bloodletting year and that we can take a step forward next season - a la JJ in Dallas 89/90 or even BB first to second year jump with the pats. Otherwise, I dunno... Some people are less reactionary than others, I understand... so, ya know... get all pissed off and tell your buddies what you'd have done as GM - if that make you feel better...

**Reaper16** · 10-07-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

This is a point that is overlooked: Those 2 years would cost us the same as what we actually guaranteed him. if he doesnt work out 28 mil if it does work we got a good deal

I hadn't considered that. Good point.

Saccopoo · 10-07-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chief103182

In my eyes, this may be two strikes against Pioli. First was the mismanaged offensive line, now it's zero effort in making a play for a 26 year-old, proven receiver traded for nothing. Like Bad Guy said, if someone's giving up a player like this for next to nothing, you JUMP on that. But I'm not an NFL general manager, so what do I know...

It's his first season. I'm giving him plenty of time to improve the team. I'm still behind the guy, but while I'm supportive, I'm skeptical of these moves, or lack thereof. Better be one HELL of an offseason come late winter.

Why are you getting your panties in a knot about a guy that's had one good season in a 4 1/2 year career with hands of stone and a bad attitude? And that you had no idea about who was involved in terms of which teams were offering what.

And how did he mismanage the offensive line? They brought in Mike Goff in the off-season, and then upon the realization that this was not a good line, made moves for Alleman, Ndukwe and O'Callaghan. Coming in to the situation, one would have thought that having a first round draft pick (Albert) and a perennial All-Pro in Waters would have given you a decent chance at putting together a decent offensive line, especially when you add a guy like Goff, who had a good year last year. Going into the draft, they couldn't have thought that it was going to be this bad, that the deficiencies that were there were correctable with better coaching. It was that bad though, and they have made steps to remedy the situation although at this point there is only so much you are going to be able to do, especially with the offensive line as most teams would rather give up their left nut than a competent offensive lineman.

As well, they were relying on Carl's scouting department going into this last draft, and I don't think that there is a single person here who would characterize the Chiefs ability to objectively and properly evaluate talent through the Carl Peterson period as good.

If anyone didn't think that this new FO and coaching was going to view this season as anything other than a year long adjustment period and the first baby step in a complete overhaul was fooling themselves. And to make a statement such as "two strikes against," especially at four games into their first season after 20 years of Carlism, is nothing short of complete myopia.

nychief · 10-07-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Why are you getting your panties in a knot about a guy that's had one good season in a 4 1/2 year career with hands of stone and a bad attitude? And that you had no idea about who was involved in terms of which teams were offering what.

And how did he mismanage the offensive line? They brought in Mike Goff in the off-season, and then upon the realization that this was not a good line, made moves for Alleman, Ndukwe and O'Callaghan. Coming in to the situation, one would have thought that having a first round draft pick (Albert) and a perennial All-Pro in Waters would have given you a decent chance at putting together a decent offensive line, especially when you add a guy like Goff, who had a good year last year. Going into the draft, they couldn't have thought that it was going to be this bad, that the deficiencies that were there were correctable with better coaching. It was that bad though, and they have made steps to remedy the situation although at this point there is only so much you are going to be able to do, especially with the offensive line as most teams would rather give up their left nut than a competent offensive lineman.

As well, they were relying on Carl's scouting department going into this last draft, and I don't think that there is a single person here who would characterize the Chiefs ability to objectively and properly evaluate talent through the Carl Peterson period as good.

If anyone didn't think that this new FO and coaching was going to view this season as anything other than a year long adjustment period and the first baby step in a complete overhaul was fooling themselves. And to make a statement such as "two strikes against," especially at four games into their first season after 20 years of Carlism, is nothing short of complete myopia.

**SAUTO** · 10-07-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I hadn't considered that. Good point.

and IMO he was going to get two years worth of a shot anyway. Isnt a 2nd round pick at least deserving of that?

milkman · 10-07-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Why are you getting your panties in a knot about a guy that's had one good season in a 4 1/2 year career with hands of stone and a bad attitude? And that you had no idea about who was involved in terms of which teams were offering what.

And how did he mismanage the offensive line? They brought in Mike Goff in the off-season, and then upon the realization that this was not a good line, made moves for Alleman, Ndukwe and O'Callaghan. Coming in to the situation, one would have thought that having a first round draft pick (Albert) and a perennial All-Pro in Waters would have given you a decent chance at putting together a decent offensive line, especially when you add a guy like Goff, who had a good year last year. Going into the draft, they couldn't have thought that it was going to be this bad, that the deficiencies that were there were correctable with better coaching. It was that bad though, and they have made steps to remedy the situation although at this point there is only so much you are going to be able to do, especially with the offensive line as most teams would rather give up their left nut than a competent offensive lineman.

As well, they were relying on Carl's scouting department going into this last draft, and I don't think that there is a single person here who would characterize the Chiefs ability to objectively and properly evaluate talent through the Carl Peterson period as good.

If anyone didn't think that this new FO and coaching was going to view this season as anything other than a year long adjustment period and the first baby step in a complete overhaul was fooling themselves. And to make a statement such as "two strikes against," especially at four games into their first season after 20 years of Carlism, is nothing short of complete myopia.

WTF?

Goff didn't have a good year last year.

He was clearly on the decline, and was sucking ass.

And making moves for other team's scrubs is not addressing the problem.

And anyone coming into a situation that has two good O-Lineman, and three suckass lineman who would think that the line has a reasonable chance of being good would be a ****ing moron.

Saccopoo · 10-07-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Absolutely all GM's have ego's that's the QB he chose as his guy, he will start for atleast 5 years regardless of performance.

I find it kind of comical that Cassel is getting garbage time TD's to make his stats look nice though...but that still doesn't change his abysmal yardage totals in blowouts.

So what would you have them do? It seems if Haley tries to run the ball at any time in the second half, you castigate him as a quitter, but now when he throws the ball, he's padding the QB's stats? You can't have it both ways. And after the second touchdown in the Giants game, there was still 5:00 minutes to play. I don't think that with 5:00 minutes left and the game is still conceptually still in reach, that it's padding the stats.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

This is a point that is overlooked: Those 2 years would cost us the same as what we actually guaranteed him. if he doesnt work out 28 mil if it does work we got a good deal

Do you really think they'll cut him loose after 2 seasons if he's not performing?

I'd be shocked if he's here any less than 4.

People can say all we're on the hook for is the $30M guaranteed, but that's if we actually cut him loose.

If he's on the roster, he gets his salary. And like I said, I'd be shocked if they were to cut him before that contract expires - or at least until he got most of it.

Titty Meat · 10-07-2009, 12:13 PM

I'm wondering if Mousaquis play helped the Browns make this trade.

Saccopoo · 10-07-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

So, now... I guess the Chiefs will probably draft 3rd, right?

Behind Cleveland and Tampa Bay?

You haven't seen the Rams this season I take it?

Hands down the worst team in the league.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-07-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What, no Sunday Ticket in heaven?

I think it's tough to get a bead on the satellite from there.

Maybe he's facing north...

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