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orange · 10-08-2009, 11:54 AM

9. Fixing the roughing-Tom Brady-penalty crisis is rather easy.

As I did when I first addressed this problem at the beginning of the season, I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week.

This is not an issue driven by race. It's a star power issue, no different from the NBA officiating that protected Michael Jordan the second half of his career and gave Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat an NBA title.

Refs pamper the big stars. Refs are humans just like you and me. They get caught up in Brady's fame.

Ray "Avon Barksdale" Lewis and Ed "Stringer Bell" Reed had every right to blast the refs following the Patriots-Ravens game. There were two unwarranted roughing-the-Brady penalties that contributed to New England TD drives. One of the penalties occurred on third and nine and Brady threw incomplete. And the other occurred on second and 11 and Brady completed a 1-yard pass.

The "hits" didn't justify a flag and they certainly didn't justify 15-yard penalties. Why do quarterbacks deserve more protection than a punter or a kicker? Why can't there be a 5-yard running-into-the-Brady call and a 15-yard roughing-the-Brady call?

A hand accidently slapping a QB in the helmet isn't worthy of 15 yards. A defender falling down and grazing a QB's knee isn't worth 15 yards.

And there needs to be a common-sense official placed in a television replay booth. He needs the authority to stop the game and review any and every 15-yard penalty. Look at the excessive-celebration penalty that ruined the Georgia-LSU college game. A common-sense ref in the booth could've stopped that.

If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths

blaise · 10-08-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Okay. So where does this whole "apology" nonsense come from then?

Nothing.

Therefore it's baseless.

Are you a Bronco fan?

orange · 10-08-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

He hit him in the chest with his shoulder. It was a bad call. They sent a letter saying the unnecessary roughness call was a mistake. I just can't imagine what you would need to convince you. At this point you MUST just be trolling.

Show me the letter.

That's ALL it will take.

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Failing that, let's watch and see the rest of the year if that penalty continues to be called.

orange · 10-08-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise

Are you a Bronco fan?

Yes.

Do you believe the NFL gives a rat's ass about keeping the little-franchise-that-couldn't (i.e. Chiefs) down?

Or maybe it was that particular ref who's a Broncos fan and was concerned that the 0-3 Chiefs would challenge for the Division title if they were less dominated by the Giants.

blaise · 10-08-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Show me the letter.

That's ALL it will take.

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Failing that, let's watch and see the rest of the year if that penalty continues to be called.

That doesn't matter. It's not a fact that Page hit him in the neck. Regardless of whether that happens in the future it will not affect this at all.
I'll go out on a limb and guess Page will not be fined by the NFL for the hit because the NFL knows the call was wrong.

blaise · 10-08-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Yes.

Do you believe the NFL gives a rat's ass about keeping the little-franchise-that-couldn't (i.e. Chiefs) down?

Um no, all star. I'm talking about your personal perception of the incident as a Bronco fan.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Show me the letter.

That's ALL it will take.

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Failing that, let's watch and see the rest of the year if that penalty continues to be called.

Or, you could watch the ****ing gif of the actual hit that proves you are wrong.

**kysirsoze** · 10-08-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Show me the letter.

That's ALL it will take.

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Failing that, let's watch and see the rest of the year if that penalty continues to be called.

You're right. Page probably lied about getting the letter so he could cover his ass. At least until the league fines him for his public lie. That would be in addition to the fine he should shortly be receiving for his defenseless receiver hit.

orange · 10-08-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

You're right. Page probably lied about getting the letter so he could cover his ass. At least until the league fines him for his public lie. That would be in addition to the fine he should shortly be receiving for his defenseless receiver hit.

Page didn't lie. All he said was that the NFL said it wasn't a helmet-to-helmet hit. He didn't claim there was an apology.

YOU guys have added all that.

And my point is that IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HELMET-TO-HELMET HIT TO BE A PERSONAL FOUL ANYMORE.

I don't see what's so hard for some of you to understand about that.

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Why it's important to Page:

2008 NFL Fine Schedule

Flagrant Personal Foul
Suspension or fine; severity to be determined by degree of violation; the fine may be $10,000 or higher for first offense.

blaise · 10-08-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Page didn't lie. All he said was that the NFL said it wasn't a helmet-to-helmet hit. He didn't claim there was an apology.

YOU guys have added all that.

And my point is that IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HELMET-TO-HELMET HIT ANYMORE.

I don't see what's so hard for some of you to understand about that.

And you're adding that the NFL is saying it was helmet to neck.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Page didn't lie. All he said was that the NFL said it wasn't a helmet-to-helmet hit. He didn't claim there was an apology.

YOU guys have added all that.

And my point is that IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HELMET-TO-HELMET HIT ANYMORE.

I don't see what's so hard for some of you to understand about that.

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Safety Jarrad Page said the NFL sent the Chiefs a letter acknowledging a mistake was made when Page was penalized for unnecessary roughness in last week’s loss to the Giants.

Page broke up a pass over the middle for wide receiver Steve Smith but was penalized for making helmet-to-helmet contact with Smith. Replays showed Page actually used his shoulder to hit Smith in the chest.

You are one obtuse bitch. Why the **** would Page even mention this if it WAS NOT AN APOLOGY from the League. The officials made a mistake. That is why the Chiefs got a letter. ****!

**kysirsoze** · 10-08-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Page didn't lie. All he said was that the NFL said it wasn't a helmet-to-helmet hit. He didn't claim there was an apology.

YOU guys have added all that.

And my point is that IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HELMET-TO-HELMET HIT TO BE A PERSONAL FOUL ANYMORE.

I don't see what's so hard for some of you to understand about that.

FFS ...the letter, according to Page, said he shouldn't have been called for unnecessary roughness. The article goes on to explain what the video showed.

Regardless, even with the criteria you yourself posted, it was a clean hit. We all (most) get that it doesn't have to be helmet to helmet, but a shoulder to chest hit is completely clean and it was a shit call.

blaise · 10-08-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Yes.

Do you believe the NFL gives a rat's ass about keeping the little-franchise-that-couldn't (i.e. Chiefs) down?

Or maybe it was that particular ref who's a Broncos fan and was concerned that the 0-3 Chiefs would challenge for the Division title if they were less dominated by the Giants.

Apparently you enjoy posting on the message board of the little franchise that couldn't more than a Broncos board.

orange · 10-08-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise

And you're adding that the NFL is saying it was helmet to neck.

Wrong. SHOULDER to NECK AREA.

Don't twist it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Wrong. SHOULDER to NECK AREA.

Don't twist it.

CHEST is NOT the NECK area.

**kysirsoze** · 10-08-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Wrong. SHOULDER to NECK AREA.

Don't twist it.

The chest is the neck area?? What about the abdomen? That can be as close as a foot from the neck! WATCH OUT!!!

10-08-2009, 11:54 AM
orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Whitlock has a great idea 9. Fixing the roughing-Tom Brady-penalty crisis is rather easy. As I did when I first addressed this problem at the beginning of the season, I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week. This is not an issue driven by race. It's a star power issue, no different from the NBA officiating that protected Michael Jordan the second half of his career and gave Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat an NBA title. Refs pamper the big stars. Refs are humans just like you and me. They get caught up in Brady's fame. Ray "Avon Barksdale" Lewis and Ed "Stringer Bell" Reed had every right to blast the refs following the Patriots-Ravens game. There were two unwarranted roughing-the-Brady penalties that contributed to New England TD drives. One of the penalties occurred on third and nine and Brady threw incomplete. And the other occurred on second and 11 and Brady completed a 1-yard pass. The "hits" didn't justify a flag and they certainly didn't justify 15-yard penalties. Why do quarterbacks deserve more protection than a punter or a kicker? Why can't there be a 5-yard running-into-the-Brady call and a 15-yard roughing-the-Brady call? A hand accidently slapping a QB in the helmet isn't worthy of 15 yards. A defender falling down and grazing a QB's knee isn't worth 15 yards. And there needs to be a common-sense official placed in a television replay booth. He needs the authority to stop the game and review any and every 15-yard penalty. Look at the excessive-celebration penalty that ruined the Georgia-LSU college game. A common-sense ref in the booth could've stopped that. If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths
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