Poop Tank Tyler may just be the worst NT in the NFL. - Page 2

Direckshun · 08:46 PM

I remember watching the Ravens on every single short-yardage situation against us in Week 1. They'd just dial up a simple i formation, not even a jumbo package, and push right through the heart of our DLine. I believe they pulled this play off with 100% efficiency.

That was the beginning of my Hatred Affair with Stank Tyler (trademarked!).

Stank gives up yards every single play. I watched the DLine for the entire game against the Cowboys, and I watched them again. Jackson and Dorsey do their jobs enough, but Stank (and Edwards) both consistently get pushed back about three-to-FIVE (!!!) yards every single play.

Every. Single. (Running.) Play.

Stank is the worst of the two, and his existence on this defense defeats its entire purpose. The ONE player on your team that's supposed to be the anchored block of granite is the NOSE TACKLE. If our nose cannot even keep himself from getting pushed back THREE YARDS, we CANNOT WIN.

No team has followed in the Ravens' footsteps, but more will. This team cannot win with Tank manning the nose.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-14-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The best way to get value is to chase trends. Like all those teams that had success ~~running Air Coryell after the Rams, or the Tampa 2, or the WCO...~~

How funny is it that Pioli leaves, and then Belichick switches back to a 4-3?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-14-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How funny is it that Pioli leaves, and then Belichick switches back to a 4-3?

You'd think the dumb mother****er would understand

1) Supply and Demand
2) Players trump schemes

Hell, the only person who could ever neutralize Derrick Thomas for a long stretch was Gunther Cunningham.

The last time I checked Scott Pioli wasn't Bud Wilkinson. He didn't invent the ****ing 3-4, so I don't know why he thinks we need to run it at all costs. Of course, just as many of us had predicted, the guy who we should have built our defense around is now flashing while playing out of position in the wrong defense.

**tyler360** · 10-14-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Only teams that run the 3-4 can win.

I did not know that lol. Maybe by the time we get a good 3-4 defense the trend will switch back to a 4-3. That is just the like the Chiefs to always be chasing trends

bowener · 10-14-2009, 09:48 PM

All of this just further strengthens my resolve that the Chiefs should pick up Sands and snatch Montgomery from the Skins and run the 5-2... we can start our own retrotard-trend.

**** hoodie right in the butt!

ChiefsCountry · 10-14-2009, 09:50 PM

3-4 was also our defense during the Glory Years of the 80's.

**tyler360** · 10-14-2009, 09:55 PM

I am really only pissed that We are wasting Glenn Dorsey like we are. I was so happy we drafted him and now he is still managing to be a decent player in the wrong scheme. It definetly speaks to his talent. I just wish "Holy Pioli" would drop his 3-4 obsession and run a 4-3. Jackson would make a great end on the left side then we could have Carlos Dunlap in the draft and have a super amazing d-line for quite a long time

RustShack · 10-14-2009, 09:59 PM

Dunlap-Dorsey-Jackson-Hali.. not bad. Dunlap-Dorsey-Tank-Jackson.. I'm not sure which is better.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-14-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You'd think the dumb mother****er would understand

1) Supply and Demand
2) Players trump schemes

Hell, the only person who could ever neutralize Derrick Thomas for a long stretch was Gunther Cunningham.

The last time I checked Scott Pioli wasn't Bud Wilkinson. He didn't invent the ****ing 3-4, so I don't know why he thinks we need to run it at all costs. Of course, just as many of us had predicted, the guy who we should have built our defense around is now flashing while playing out of position in the wrong defense.

I'm not a major fan of the switch, but I think he deserves a little time. It's still a very good defense and Pioli does have a history of building it over and over again. Even the defense last year, as unglamorous as it was, actually did very well for NE. Honestly, I don't think this defense is nearly as far away as people suggest. You bring in one playmaking safety and a solid nose tackle, and I think this could be at least a solid defense.

Now, in terms of offense, Pioli laid a big fat goose egg.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-14-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I am really only pissed that We are wasting Glenn Dorsey like we are. I was so happy we drafted him and now he is still managing to be a decent player in the wrong scheme. It definetly speaks to his talent. I just wish "Holy Pioli" would drop his 3-4 obsession and run a 4-3. Jackson would make a great end on the left side then we could have Carlos Dunlap in the draft and have a super amazing d-line for quite a long time

Jackson wasn't built for a 4-3, unless he's playing DT. His best position by far is as a 5-technique in a 3-4.

**tyler360** · 10-14-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not a major fan of the switch, but I think he deserves a little time. It's still a very good defense and Pioli does have a history of building it over and over again. Even the defense last year, as unglamorous as it was, actually did very well for NE. Honestly, I don't think this defense is nearly as far away as people suggest. You bring in one playmaking safety and a solid nose tackle, and I think this could be at least a solid defense.

Now, in terms of offense, Pioli laid a big fat goose egg.

I think it needs tons more. I really think we need 4 new linebackers beacause i dont like any of the ones we have now

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-14-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Dunlap-Dorsey-Jackson-Hali.. not bad. Dunlap-Dorsey-Tank-Jackson.. I'm not sure which is better.

Or

Dunlap-Dorsey-Tank-Hali

DJ--------Mauluga--------Williams

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-14-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Jackson wasn't built for a 4-3, unless he's playing DT. His best position by far is as a 5-technique in a 3-4.

He's a fine left end in a 4-3. Still a stupid ****ing pick that high...

chiefzilla1501 · 10-14-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I think it needs tons more. I really think we need 4 new linebackers beacause i dont like any of the ones we have now

In a 3-4, if you have a solid defensive line, you don't need studs at LB. That's why the Chargers aren't trying to protect Merriman, the Steelers didn't protect Porter, and the Ravens were half-ass about protecting Suggs and Scott. In watching Hali play, he's not that bad. He just needs more consistent play from his D-line to open up more opportunities for him.

RustShack · 10-14-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Or

Dunlap-Dorsey-Tank-Hali

DJ--------Mauluga--------Williams

Dunlap, Dorsey, Tank, Hali
DJ Rey CURRY!!!!

Saccopoo · 10-14-2009, 10:07 PM

They aren't taking Boo Robinson in the draft Direckshun, so you can stop with the Mark Sanchez/Tyler Thigpen analogies.

10-14-2009, 08:40 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Tank Tyler may just be the worst NT in the NFL. I remember watching the Ravens on every single short-yardage situation against us in Week 1. They'd just dial up a simple i formation, not even a jumbo package, and push right through the heart of our DLine. I believe they pulled this play off with 100% efficiency. That was the beginning of my Hatred Affair with Stank Tyler (trademarked!). Stank gives up yards every single play. I watched the DLine for the entire game against the Cowboys, and I watched them again. Jackson and Dorsey do their jobs enough, but Stank (and Edwards) both consistently get pushed back about three-to-FIVE (!!!) yards every single play. Every. Single. (Running.) Play. Stank is the worst of the two, and his existence on this defense defeats its entire purpose. The ONE player on your team that's supposed to be the anchored block of granite is the NOSE TACKLE. If our nose cannot even keep himself from getting pushed back THREE YARDS, we CANNOT WIN. No team has followed in the Ravens' footsteps, but more will. This team cannot win with Tank manning the nose. Last edited by Direckshun; 10-14-2009 at 08:46 PM..
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tyler360 Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $-2262123	I am really only pissed that We are wasting Glenn Dorsey like we are. I was so happy we drafted him and now he is still managing to be a decent player in the wrong scheme. It definetly speaks to his talent. I just wish "Holy Pioli" would drop his 3-4 obsession and run a 4-3. Jackson would make a great end on the left side then we could have Carlos Dunlap in the draft and have a super amazing d-line for quite a long time
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