Chiefs Haley changes WR coach - Page 4

LaChapelle · 10-15-2009, 05:25 PM

Haley, not satisfied with receivers, makes coaching change
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Apparently frustrated with a lack of progress from the wide receivers, coach Todd Haley has made another staff change, replacing position coach Dedric Ward with Richie Anderson.

Anderson joined the Chiefs this year as a member of the NFL’s minority coaching fellowship program. A former NFL running back, he helped coach the wide receivers for the Jets in 2006.

Ward is still coaching for the Chiefs, but Anderson was running the receiver drills during the media portion of practice Thursday.

“Coach Haley and everybody involved in the decision making are trying to find a way to get things right,’’ wide receiver Bobby Wade said. “Richie’s been helping out for us. He’s been in our position meetings and at practice anyway. Dedric Ward’s still out there helping. So I think it’s more of a change for the coaches than for us. It’s not a drastic thing for us as players. It has more to do with how (Haley) wanted to see things done.

“But I think everybody is looking for things that are going to help us. Everybody in this locker room has to be open to that.’’

Haley wouldn’t comment even to confirm the move. He did make a general statement about the receivers in his regular daily news conference.

“They definitely made some big plays (in last week’s game against Dallas),’’ Haley said. “The third-and-long catch by Bobby (Wade) . . . where he took a big (shot) and then obviously the fourth-down (touchdown) throw to Dwayne (Bowe) were big plays and plays to build on for those guys and for us.

“Now, there were other plays in that game and in the last couple of games that we had some game-changing plays potentially that haven’t been made. So it’s a work in progress. They need to make plays. That’s their job. They need to do a good job (blocking) in the run game. That’s their job. We just need to be better across the board, and that’s another spot where that holds true.’’

Haley made a change on his offensive staff during the preseason, firing coordinator Chan Gailey and taking over the play-calling responsibilities. Still, the Chiefs have been sluggish offensively. They are 30th among the NFL’s 32 teams in yardage and 24th in scoring.

The play of the receivers has, as Haley indicated, been up and down. Bowe, Wade and Mark Bradley have combined for 42 catches and six touchdowns in the Chiefs’ 0-5 start.

But the top three receivers have also tended to disappear at times. They combined for five catches in a recent game against the Giants.

The receiver situation has been unsettled since the start of training camp. Bowe was demoted for a time because the Chiefs were unhappy with his effort. Starter Devard Darling was lost for the year because of a knee injury suffered during the preseason.

Veterans Amani Toomer and Ashley Lelie were signed during training camp, but neither lasted until the start of the regular season. Wade joined the Chiefs as a free agent after the first regular-season game.

Perhaps Haley believes having a more experienced receivers coach will help. Anderson coached wide receivers for the Jets in 2006 and moved on the next year to the Arizona Cardinals. He was fired four days after being arrested for soliciting a prostitute, but the charge was dropped.

Ward coached wide receivers in 2006 for Missouri State and was an offensive assistant the last two seasons for the Cardinals, but this was his first season as an NFL position coach.

Wade said he was comfortable working with either coach and thought the other receivers felt the same way.

“In my experience, it’s really important to build a rapport with your receivers coach,’’ Wade said. “He needs to understand you as an individual and what you can do on the field and what you might lack as far as skill. Then he needs to give you the best opportunity to play up to your ability.

“So it’s important for every position to have a coach that’s going to be there and going to be consistent.’’

Posted on Thu, Oct. 15, 2009 05:41 PM

**Rausch** · 10-15-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Todd Haley didn't play receiver in the NFL either.

Haley didn't ****ing play anything.

soundmind · 10-15-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people are making way too much of the fact that he played fullback in the NFL.

Todd Haley didn't play receiver in the NFL either. Bellichick played tight end--that doesn't mean he's unqualified to coach defense.

Anderson has coached WRs before. It's not like this is his first gig. I don't know what to make of this decision. But it's WAY too soon to be jumping off cliffs.

No cliff jumping, actually quite calm at the moment, rare but enjoyable. I'm not flacking the new coach, never heard a word of him. I'm not knocking anyone being out of position, if you're good at what you do, who cares where you got the talent. Hell, I hope the guy works out. I just understood that Haley's specialty, if he has one anyway, was wideouts. Hailed for improving on the Cardinals group anyway, so it'd make sense to me that if he were to adopt any one thing...it should be that maybe.

milkman · 10-15-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think people are making way too much of the fact that he played fullback in the NFL.

Todd Haley didn't play receiver in the NFL either. Bellichick played tight end--that doesn't mean he's unqualified to coach defense.

Anderson has coached WRs before. It's not like this is his first gig. I don't know what to make of this decision. But it's WAY too soon to be jumping off cliffs.

Who's jumping off cliffs?

I want to go find a couple of mother****ers to push off cliffs, though.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-15-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

No cliff jumping, actually quite calm at the moment, rare but enjoyable. I'm not flacking the new coach, never heard a word of him. I'm not knocking anyone being out of position, if you're good at what you do, who cares where you got the talent. Hell, I hope the guy works out. I just understood that Haley's specialty, if he has one anyway, was wideouts. Hailed for improving on the Cardinals group anyway, so it'd make sense to me that if he were to adopt any one thing...it should be that maybe.

No, you're not cliff jumping. I'm commenting on the people who categorically dismiss it as a dumb decision. Sorry, I was commenting about one part of your post and then referring to other people in the same reply. For some reason, with other people, they either hate or love people with the Chiefs.

Coach · 10-15-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

FTR I think the ONLY coach who has deserved a pink slip this year is our DC.

Gailey consistently overachieved while our new DC has had his defense step on it's d**k every time it's been forced to make a stand. Who gives a $#it about 3rd and 3 in the first quarter?

No one. It's early, there's time for adjustments. 4 minutes left in the 4th, the other team has the ball, YOU STOP THEM OR LOSE.

We still can't do that...

Tim has to go. Remember last year? 10 sacks in a 16 game season? Brand new NFL record of least sacks in a single season.

In all, 16 sacks, by a TEAM, in 21 NFL games.

That is not good. That is bad. Very, very, very bad.

If Haley is going to hold his assistant coaches to an standard, by demoting the WR coach, then he should have done the same thing to Tim, because 6 sacks in 5 games? Unacceptable.

LaChapelle · 10-15-2009, 08:48 PM

The bye week may be far and away more interesting than a game week. Not that that's a good thing.

soundmind · 10-15-2009, 08:50 PM

What all-powerful card does Krumrie hold? I mean what the hell is this guy doing that keeps him employed? FIRED. Before the end of the 08 season he'd have been gone if I were running that. Production alone called for his termination.

I'm telling you, he must have mafia type leverage on the entire damn league somehow. Probably shows up to the interviews with a briefcase full of harmful info and photo evidence of the person interviewing him.

Chiefnj2 · 10-15-2009, 08:53 PM

Haley is in so far over his head.

tonyetony · 10-15-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Tim has to go. Remember last year? 10 sacks in a 16 game season? Brand new NFL record of least sacks in a single season.

In all, 16 sacks, by a TEAM, in 21 NFL games.

That is not good. That is bad. Very, very, very bad.

If Haley is going to hold his assistant coaches to an standard, by demoting the WR coach, then he should have done the same thing to Tim, because 6 sacks in 5 games? Unacceptable.

But but but we're on pace for a 22 sack season! Screw Krumrie, he should have been kicking rocks with Herm.

Christofire · 10-15-2009, 09:03 PM

Krumrie was a 3/4 nose tackle in Cincinnati. He knows that scheme, so for them it was probably a no-brainer decision to keep him.

Coach · 10-15-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire

Krumrie was a 3/4 nose tackle in Cincinnati. He knows that scheme, so for them it was probably a no-brainer decision to keep him.

Just because he knows the scheme, doesn't necessarly make him a great coach, by chance.

During his time, as a coach, in Cincy, Buffalo, and KC, it's just terrible.

tonyetony · 10-15-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire

Krumrie was a 3/4 nose tackle in Cincinnati. He knows that scheme, so for them it was probably a no-brainer decision to keep him.

They should have made him the assistant screamer because as a D-Line coach you have to coach more than the nose tackle.

Christofire · 10-15-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Just because he knows the scheme, doesn't necessarly make him a great coach, by chance.

During his time, as a coach, in Cincy, Buffalo, and KC, it's just terrible.

Similarly, just because Dedric Ward played WR doesn't make him a great coach. But that doesn't stop people from freaking out about him.

Christofire · 10-15-2009, 09:11 PM

Haley's butt is the one on the line, and he's doing everything based on his vision for the team. All we can do is hope like hell it works.

tonyetony · 10-15-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Christofire

Haley's butt is the one on the line, and he's doing everything based on his vision for the team. All we can do is hope like hell it works.

Ok, but I hope he envisions Krumrie on the unemployment line while he's at it.

10-15-2009, 05:25 PM
LaChapelle Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Haley changes WR coach Haley, not satisfied with receivers, makes coaching change By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Apparently frustrated with a lack of progress from the wide receivers, coach Todd Haley has made another staff change, replacing position coach Dedric Ward with Richie Anderson. Anderson joined the Chiefs this year as a member of the NFL’s minority coaching fellowship program. A former NFL running back, he helped coach the wide receivers for the Jets in 2006. Ward is still coaching for the Chiefs, but Anderson was running the receiver drills during the media portion of practice Thursday. “Coach Haley and everybody involved in the decision making are trying to find a way to get things right,’’ wide receiver Bobby Wade said. “Richie’s been helping out for us. He’s been in our position meetings and at practice anyway. Dedric Ward’s still out there helping. So I think it’s more of a change for the coaches than for us. It’s not a drastic thing for us as players. It has more to do with how (Haley) wanted to see things done. “But I think everybody is looking for things that are going to help us. Everybody in this locker room has to be open to that.’’ Haley wouldn’t comment even to confirm the move. He did make a general statement about the receivers in his regular daily news conference. “They definitely made some big plays (in last week’s game against Dallas),’’ Haley said. “The third-and-long catch by Bobby (Wade) . . . where he took a big (shot) and then obviously the fourth-down (touchdown) throw to Dwayne (Bowe) were big plays and plays to build on for those guys and for us. “Now, there were other plays in that game and in the last couple of games that we had some game-changing plays potentially that haven’t been made. So it’s a work in progress. They need to make plays. That’s their job. They need to do a good job (blocking) in the run game. That’s their job. We just need to be better across the board, and that’s another spot where that holds true.’’ Haley made a change on his offensive staff during the preseason, firing coordinator Chan Gailey and taking over the play-calling responsibilities. Still, the Chiefs have been sluggish offensively. They are 30th among the NFL’s 32 teams in yardage and 24th in scoring. The play of the receivers has, as Haley indicated, been up and down. Bowe, Wade and Mark Bradley have combined for 42 catches and six touchdowns in the Chiefs’ 0-5 start. But the top three receivers have also tended to disappear at times. They combined for five catches in a recent game against the Giants. The receiver situation has been unsettled since the start of training camp. Bowe was demoted for a time because the Chiefs were unhappy with his effort. Starter Devard Darling was lost for the year because of a knee injury suffered during the preseason. Veterans Amani Toomer and Ashley Lelie were signed during training camp, but neither lasted until the start of the regular season. Wade joined the Chiefs as a free agent after the first regular-season game. Perhaps Haley believes having a more experienced receivers coach will help. Anderson coached wide receivers for the Jets in 2006 and moved on the next year to the Arizona Cardinals. He was fired four days after being arrested for soliciting a prostitute, but the charge was dropped. Ward coached wide receivers in 2006 for Missouri State and was an offensive assistant the last two seasons for the Cardinals, but this was his first season as an NFL position coach. Wade said he was comfortable working with either coach and thought the other receivers felt the same way. “In my experience, it’s really important to build a rapport with your receivers coach,’’ Wade said. “He needs to understand you as an individual and what you can do on the field and what you might lack as far as skill. Then he needs to give you the best opportunity to play up to your ability. “So it’s important for every position to have a coach that’s going to be there and going to be consistent.’’ Posted on Thu, Oct. 15, 2009 05:41 PM
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