Redskins cheerleader disabled by flu shot

[kcmaxwell]

Originally Posted by Bwana

That's no bullshit. I WILL NOT get a flu shot. Just take extra vitamin D and it is every bit as effetive as a flu shot, without this kind of risk.

This kind of reaction happens maybe one in a BILLION times. And the saying that getting the flu shot gives you the flu is so much BS... any vaccine that is injected is a dead virus... it can not reproduce and make you sick... what happens is that it takes up to 2 weeks for your body to produce the antibodies to the virus. So if you are exposed to the virus prior to that, then you get the flu, and "the shot gave me the flu!!" Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a jerk, or jump on anybody... But I travel around giving flu shots to different companies here in town, and I hear that stuff all the time. You folks have a good night.

Maxwell

[Lonewolf Ed]

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell

This kind of reaction happens maybe one in a BILLION times. And the saying that getting the flu shot gives you the flu is so much BS... any vaccine that is injected is a dead virus... it can not reproduce and make you sick... what happens is that it takes up to 2 weeks for your body to produce the antibodies to the virus. So if you are exposed to the virus prior to that, then you get the flu, and "the shot gave me the flu!!" Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a jerk, or jump on anybody... But I travel around giving flu shots to different companies here in town, and I hear that stuff all the time. You folks have a good night.

Maxwell

Soooo, since it takes 2 weeks to work, then if you are not sick when you get this wonderous flu shot, you should quarantine yourself for that time period to ensure you don't run into the virus in question. Yeah, where is the line? I want to pay my 29 bucks for a shot now!

[kcmaxwell]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf Ed

Soooo, since it takes 2 weeks to work, then if you are not sick when you get this wonderous flu shot, you should quarantine yourself for that time period to ensure you don't run into the virus in question. Yeah, where is the line? I want to pay my 29 bucks for a shot now!

so dont get it, i care...

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell

This kind of reaction happens maybe one in a BILLION times. And the saying that getting the flu shot gives you the flu is so much BS... any vaccine that is injected is a dead virus... it can not reproduce and make you sick... what happens is that it takes up to 2 weeks for your body to produce the antibodies to the virus. So if you are exposed to the virus prior to that, then you get the flu, and "the shot gave me the flu!!" Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a jerk, or jump on anybody... But I travel around giving flu shots to different companies here in town, and I hear that stuff all the time. You folks have a good night.

Maxwell

No hard feelings Max, to each their own. My primary problem with this crap is, there was not time to adequately test the vaccine before it was brought into them mainstream. That being said, people out there are nothing more than guinea pigs right now. Remember what happened in 1976?

I am going to stick with eating right, stocking up on Vitamin D and leave the guinea pig work to other folks. There is some decent reads on the subject at the web page I linked below. As I stated above, to each their own, but after doing a lot of research on the subject, I'll take a pass.

Peace

Out

http://www.naturalnews.com/026717_sw...u_vaccine.html

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Bwana

No hard feelings Max, to each their own. My primary problem with this crap is, there was not time to adequately test the vaccine before it was brought into them mainstream. That being said, people out there are nothing more than guinea pigs right now. Remember what happened in 1976?

I am going to stick with eating right, stocking up on Vitamin D and leave the guinea pig work to other folks. There is some decent reads on the subject at the web page I linked below. As I stated above, to each their own, but after doing a lot of research on the subject, I'll take a pass.

Peace

Out

http://www.naturalnews.com/026717_sw...u_vaccine.html

This.

[kepp]

Originally Posted by Bwana

No hard feelings Max, to each their own. My primary problem with this crap is, there was not time to adequately test the vaccine before it was brought into them mainstream. That being said, people out there are nothing more than guinea pigs right now. Remember what happened in 1976?

I am going to stick with eating right, stocking up on Vitamin D and leave the guinea pig work to other folks. There is some decent reads on the subject at the web page I linked below. As I stated above, to each their own, but after doing a lot of research on the subject, I'll take a pass.

Peace

Out

http://www.naturalnews.com/026717_sw...u_vaccine.html

Its created just like any other flu vaccine is. The only difference is that they know what strain to make it for.
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[Bwana]

Originally Posted by kepp

Its created just like any other flu vaccine is. The only difference is that they know what strain to make it for.
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They take their "best guess" when they "brew it up," which may, or may not work. Often the virus will mutate after that and renders it useless.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_Vi..._vaccines.html

[baitism]

****ing Jenny McCarthy! Still riding the "vaccines cause autism train" even though it has been disproven like 1000x by scientific studies. It's bullshit like this that is going to bring back polio and other nearly extinct illnesses.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by baitism

"vaccines cause autism" has been disproven like 1000x by scientific studies.

Link please.

[baitism]

Originally Posted by Adam

Link please.

Researcher Fabricated Autism Link in Vaccine
Posted by JeanneSager

The man who launched a decade's-long fear for parents heading to have their children vaccinated has been proven a forgery.

The Sunday Times revealed the results of an investigation today showing Andrew Wakefield, the man who posited that the MMR vaccine was at the root of the increased autism diagnoses, fabricated his research.

Published in 1998 in The Lancet, the study claimed eight out of twelve children vaccinated with the MMR innoculation began showing symptoms that fall somewhere on the autism spectrum within days of getting the shot. It was performed at the same time as another study, for which Wakefield was paid, that was supposed to help parents who believed there was a link between the two put up a legal case. Some of the kids were used in both studies, and Wakefield has often been accused of crossing a clear ethical boundary in performing both studies.

The study has borne numerous attacks over the years - in part because it included just twelve children - but it is the most-often quoted piece of evidence by parents who point a finger at pro-vax parents as risking their kids' lives (this despite studies published in the time period since that have debunked his story). The investigation by the Times is just another nail in the coffin for that line of thinking. The investigation revealed that in most of the twelve cases, the ailments described in Wakefield's published reports were different from their hospital and general practitioner records.

From the Times: "Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated."

I feel for parents of autistic children who are searching for a reason. Autism is very real and equally terrifying, but as a parent who has vaccinated her child, I have always bristled at the inference that I am a bad parent for making that choice - with so little evidence to support their claims.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strol...n-vaccine.aspx

Vaccines didn't cause autism, court rules

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A special court ruled Thursday that evidence presented in three cases by parents of children with autism did not prove a link between autism and certain early childhood vaccines.

The ruling came from a panel of "special masters" who began hearing three test cases in 2007 involving children with autism -- a disorder that their parents contend was triggered by the vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella combined with vaccines containing thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative.

Three families -- the Cedillos, the Hazlehursts and the Snyders -- sought compensation from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, but the panel ruled that they had not presented sufficient evidence to prove that the childhood vaccines caused autism in their children.

"I feel deep sympathy and admiration for the Cedillo family," Special Master George L. Hastings Jr. wrote in his ruling in the case involving 14-year-old Michelle Cedillo, who cannot speak, wears a diaper and requires round-the-clock monitoring in case she has a seizure.

"And I have no doubt that the families of countless other autistic children, families that cope every day with the tremendous challenges of caring for autistic children, are similarly deserving of sympathy and admiration. However, I must decide this case not on sentiment, but by analyzing the evidence," Hastings wrote. "In this case the evidence advanced by the petitioners has fallen far short of demonstrating such a link." Video Dr. Gupta: A look at the life of Michelle Cedillo »

In a statement shortly after the release of the decisions, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said it continues to support research "to better understand the cause of autistic disorders and develop more effective methods of treatment." Paging Dr. Gupta blog: What the ruling tells us

However, "the medical and scientific communities ... have found no association between vaccines and autism."

"Hopefully, the determination by the Special Masters will help reassure parents that vaccines do not cause autism," the statement said.

Autism Speaks, a large autism advocacy organization, called for continued examination of the disorder's contributing factors.

"The causes of autism remain poorly understood. ... We will continue to support authoritative research that addresses unanswered questions about whether certain subgroups of individuals with particular underlying medical or genetic conditions may be more vulnerable to adverse effects of vaccines," the Autism Speaks statement reads, in part.

The Autism Society of America, one of the oldest and largest autism grassroots organization in the country, also called for more research into autism's causes.

"ASA believes that the science of autism causes and treatments need to be more vigorously researched. ... Individuals living with autism need help today, and this case illustrates the need for the medical community to probe further into environmental causes of autism. Like all families affected by autism, these families deserve to be heard and supported in their journey raising their children."

Since 2001, thousands of parents of autistic children have filed petitions seeking compensation from the VICP at HHS. Visit CNNhealth.com, your connection to better living

By mid-2008, more than 5,300 cases had been filed in the program -- and 5,000 of those were still awaiting adjudication, according to the agency. Video Watch Dr. Gupta discuss how court reached its decision.

A litigation steering committee is representing thousands of families that fall into three categories: those that claim that the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine can combine with thimerosal-containing vaccines to cause autism; those who claim thimerosal-containing vaccines alone can cause autism; and those who claim that MMR vaccines, without any link to thimerosal, can cause autism.

Prior to the release of Thursday's rulings, an attorney for the families, Thomas Powers, said the expected rulings would affect only the families that fall under the first category.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/12...nes/index.html

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by baitism

****ing Jenny McCarthy!

Mmmm Jenny! worthless W/O pictures.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell

This kind of reaction happens maybe one in a BILLION times. And the saying that getting the flu shot gives you the flu is so much BS... any vaccine that is injected is a dead virus... it can not reproduce and make you sick... what happens is that it takes up to 2 weeks for your body to produce the antibodies to the virus. So if you are exposed to the virus prior to that, then you get the flu, and "the shot gave me the flu!!" Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a jerk, or jump on anybody... But I travel around giving flu shots to different companies here in town, and I hear that stuff all the time. You folks have a good night.

Maxwell

BS When I was forced to get the in service I got the damn flu every year. Don't get me started about getting yellow fever and all the other shots and the side effects they caused you Assh#$#.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by kcmaxwell

This kind of reaction happens maybe one in a BILLION times. And the saying that getting the flu shot gives you the flu is so much BS... any vaccine that is injected is a dead virus... it can not reproduce and make you sick... what happens is that it takes up to 2 weeks for your body to produce the antibodies to the virus. So if you are exposed to the virus prior to that, then you get the flu, and "the shot gave me the flu!!" Sorry, I don't mean to come off like a jerk, or jump on anybody... But I travel around giving flu shots to different companies here in town, and I hear that stuff all the time. You folks have a good night.

Maxwell

link to your chances of this happening? do you enjoy injecting people with mercury or causing the body to attack naturally occurring oils in your body? do some research on the shit your pushing.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

link to your chances of this happening? do you enjoy injecting people with mercury or causing the body to attack naturally occurring oils in your body? do some research on the shit your pushing.

Bingo: another great read on the subject..........

Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities refuse to answer..........

(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots say it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven effective" and they're "perfectly safe."

Oh really? Where's all that good science? As it turns out, there's isn't any. Flu vaccines (including swine flu vaccines) are based entirely on a vaccine mythology that assumes all vaccines work and no vaccines can be scientifically questioned. Anyone who dares question the safety or effectiveness of vaccines is immediately branded a danger to public health and marginalized in the scientific community.

Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities absolutely refuse to answer:

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)


#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.


#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is an extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.


#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and even death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry routinely dismisses all such accounts -- no matter how many are reported -- as "coincidence."


#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection, especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better than a vaccine? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine." You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them out of business.


#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D). (http://www.naturalnews.com/027231_V...)


#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why are the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines and don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)


#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%? (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...)

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines simply don't work.


#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50 healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality" claim of flu vaccines. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v...).


#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and health authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of people every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a shred of honest evidence.


Vaccine voodoo?

The vaccine industry is about making money, not actually offering immune protection against the flu. Whether people get the flu or not is irrelevant to the bottom-line profits of the drug companies. What matters most is that people continue to take the flu shots, and making that happen depends entirely on pushing the vaccine mythology that infects the minds of doctors and health authorities today.

There was a time when all "good" doctors believed in bloodletting. Sickness was caused by evil spirits, they thought, and releasing pints of blood from the patient would clear the evil spirits and accelerate healing. Any doctor who questioned the science behind bloodletting was called a "denier." All the "good" doctors said, "We know bloodletting works, so we don't need science to back it up."

Today, you hear the exact same thing about vaccines. "We know they work," doctors claim, "so we don't need any real science to back it up." Anyone who questions the safety of flu vaccines (or H1N1 vaccines) is branded a "denier." Anyone who asks for solid scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of vaccines is called a troublemaker. They don't need any evidence. They already know vaccines work.

With that being the case, why bother calling it medicine at all? Why not just call it VOODOO? Why not accompany vaccines with the wave of a magic wand and some shamanic chanting? Maybe doctors should tell their patients to cross their fingers before being injected with a vaccine because "that makes it work better."

Seriously. Everything that doctors accuse "quacks" of doing with homeopathy, or herbs, or energy medicine is now being done by the doctors themselves when it comes to vaccines. They are following the exact same "quackery" they accuse other of pursuing.

This brings me to an important observation about modern medicine: MY quackery is okay, but YOUR quackery isn't!

That's the attitude of vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities. As long as the quackery is widely agreed upon by the medical masses, then to heck with actual scientific evidence.

Quackery only needs good company, not good science, to be accepted as true.


Why natural medicine is inherently safer

Of course, these vaccine devotees might say, well, you don't have any good evidence to support your anti-viral herbs, or your medicinal teas, or your vitamin D nutrition either. But in saying that, they miss the whole point: Foods, herbs and nutrition are all natural, biocompatible healing elements that have been part of the human experience for as long as humans have roamed this planet. A chemical injection with a sharp needle that pierces the skin, on the other hand, is extremely interventionist. It's unnatural and in many ways quite radical. As such, it demands a higher burden of scientific proof than something that human beings have evolved with over time.

Foods, herbs and natural medicines have been around for millions of years. Vaccines have existed for less than a hundred years, and routine season flu vaccinations have really only been pushed hard for less than twenty years. They have no track record of success. They aren't natural, they aren't compatible with human biology, and they contain extremely toxic substances that clearly do not belong in the human body.

Given such extremes, the burden of proof for both safety and efficacy of vaccines falls onto those who would advocate them. And yet, to this day, no such proof has been offered... or is even pursued. There isn't even a plan in place to someday find out if flu vaccines really work. The whole plan is to just pursue "business as usual" and keep injecting people whether it really works or not.

Vaccine needles would be far more honest if they were shaped like question marks.

Flu vaccines are the voodoo of modern medicine.

Seriously. You would have the same level of protection from the flu if you brought your own personal voodoo doll to the clinic and had them inject that with the vaccine instead of you!

That's an interesting idea, actually. We could really reduce national health care costs if we just administered western medicines to our voodoo dolls instead of our actual bodies. Got cancer? Just poison your voodoo doll with chemotherapy. Side effects are almost non-existent. Need heart bypass surgery? Just have them operate on the doll (it's far less complicated). Want some protection from the winter flu? Just vaccinate the doll. It's quick and painless.

The results would be no worse than what people are experiencing right now. In fact, in most cases they might actually be better.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027258_va...u_vaccine.html

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Bingo: another great read on the subject..........

When the source is "naturalnews dot com", you've got problems.

#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?

Answer: There aren't any.

#2) Where, then, is the so-called "science" backing the idea that flu vaccines work at all?

Answer: Other than "cohort studies," there isn't any. And the cohort studies have been thoroughly debunked. Scientifically speaking, there isn't a scrap of honest evidence showing flu vaccines work at all.

Apparently these folks have never heard of the CDC.

To say these studies have been debunked is silly. There are a ton of studies showing the effectiveness of vaccines, but there is no credible peer-reviewed study or paper "debunking" the effectiveness of vaccines that I'm aware of.

#3) How can methyl mercury (Thimerosal, a preservative used in flu vaccines) be safe for injecting into the human body when mercury is an extremely toxic heavy metal?

Answer: It isn't safe at all. Methyl mercury is a poison. Along with vaccine adjuvants, it explains why so many people suffer autism or other debilitating neurological side effects after being vaccinated.

From an article answering this one: "Thimerosal is ethyl mercury, not methyl mercury which is a critical difference as ethyl mercury doesn’t accumulate in the body like methyl mercury. Regardless of that, almost all evidence points to no ill effects from thimerosal in vaccines."

From wikipedia: "Most conclusively, eight major studies (as of 2008) examined the effect of reductions or removal of thiomersal from vaccines. All eight demonstrated that autism rates failed to decline despite removal of thiomersal, arguing strongly against a causative role."

These nutty "vaccines cause autism!!!" folks never provide solid credible studies showing the link. Meanwhile, here are eight different studies showing no link.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

#4) Why do reports keep surfacing of children and teens suffering debilitating neurological disorders, brain swelling, seizures and even death following flu vaccines or HPV vaccines?

Answer: Because vaccines are dangerous. The vaccine industry routinely dismisses all such accounts — no matter how many are reported — as “coincidence.”

This is an actual argument? Correlation is not the same thing as causation. I’m sure hundreds of people have got in car accidents after getting a flu vaccine as well. Is that the flu vaccine’s fault?

#5) Why don't doctors recommend vitamin D for flu protection, especially when vitamin D activates the immune response far better than a vaccine?

Answer: Because vitamin D can't be patented and sold as "medicine." You can make it yourself. If you want more vitamin D, you don't even need a doctor, and doctors tend not to recommend things that put them out of business.

Cool, a conspiracy theory. It’s not an either/or situation. Vitamin D does strengthen the immune system. However, a strong immune system doesn’t keep you from getting the flu.

#6) If human beings need flu vaccines to survive, then how did humans survive through all of Earth's history?

Answer: Human genetic code is already wired to automatically defend you against invading microorganisms (as long as you have vitamin D).

strawman argument. No one is saying that "human beings need vaccines to survive". It can help a few people survive but by and large we are talking about avoiding the flu, not avoiding the plague.

Human beings also survived without blood transfusions too. Sure, a few people who got cut and bled out may have died, guess it sucks to be them. Human beings as a species dont NEED blood transfusions, chemotherapy, or good hygiene while preparing food.

#7) If the flu vaccine offers protection against the flu, then why are the people who often catch the flu the very same people who were vaccinated against it?

Answer: Because those most vulnerable to influenza infections are the very same people who have a poor adaptive response to the vaccines and don't build antibodies. In other words flu vaccines only "work" on people who don't need them. (And even building antibodies doesn't equate to real-world protection from the flu, by the way.)

This is nonsense. The first paragraph is simply dead-ass wrong. As for the second, the only difference between getting a killed virus and a live one in the wild is the former is not going to give you the flu. In both cases, the body's response is the same.

#8) If the flu vaccine really works, then why was there no huge increase in flu death rates in 2004, the year when flu vaccines were in short supply and vaccination rates dropped by 40%?

Answer: There was no change in the death rate. You could drop vaccination rates to zero percent and you'd still see no change in the number of people dying from the flu. That's because flu vaccines simply don't work.

First, when your talking about deaths you are talking about a pretty small number so thats not really even the concern.

If they want to go there though, I guess these idiots cant explain H1N1 in 2009, then. The vaccine came too late to be a lot of help, and death among children from the flu is startlingly high compared to most years. We still have a few months to go, and we already have more deaths from young people than in most seasons.

From the CDC: "86 US children have died from the H1N1 swine flu since the virus emerged last spring, with 43 of those deaths coming in September and early October alone. During the past three years, deaths among children from the regular seasonal flu ranged from 46 to 88 annually."

#9) How can flu vaccines reduce mortality by 50% (as is claimed) when only about 10% of winter deaths are related to the flu in the first place?

They can't. The 50% statistic is an example of quack medical marketing. If I have a room full of 100 people, then I take the 50 healthiest people and hand them a candy bar, I can't then scientifically claim that "candy bars make people healthy." That's essentially the same logic behind the "50% reduction in mortality" claim of flu vaccines.

50% may be fairly high, but to say it is zero is simply not believable considering that we are basically in a season where vaccination is much less than normal due to the H1N1 flu coming earlier than vaccines for almost everyone. Its clear this is going to be the deadliest flu for children we've seen in a long time, and probably for the population as a whole when this is finished in a couple months.

#10) If flu vaccines work so well, then why are drug makers and health authorities so reluctant to subject them to scientific scrutiny with randomized, placebo-controlled studies?

Answer: Although they claim such studies would be "unethical," what's far more unethical is to keep injecting hundreds of millions of people every year with useless, harmful vaccines that aren't backed by a shred of honest evidence.

To say this is untested is simply wrong. The method used to make vaccines has not changed in years.