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**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Waters took over half way and wasnt quite the all pro waters quite yet, he was a dlinemen a few short weeks back iirc.

In 2002, we added Roaf and Waters really started to show up and "the line of fame" was built.

You are incorrect.

Waters was originally signed as an undrafted college free agent by the Cowboys as a tight end. After he was cut, he came to KC and played in 6 games in 2000. He moved into the starting guard position in 2001 and by 2004, was a Pro-Bowler.

None of that negates the fact that the 2001 offensive line was far superior to the 2009 version.

Chiefnj2 · 10-26-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are incorrect.

Waters was originally signed as an undrafted college free agent by the Cowboys as a tight end. After he was cut, he came to KC and played in 6 games in 2000. He moved into the starting guard position in 2001 and by 2004, was a Pro-Bowler.

None of that negates the fact that the 2001 offensive line was far superior to the 2009 version.

It was superior in hindsight. Walking into 2001 what did you have other than Shields? A LT in Tait who many thought was soft and couldn't cut it at LT. Waters was just starting out on the OL. Weigman was a castoff. Riley was thought of as a bad RT.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It was superior in hindsight. Walking into 2001 what did you have other than Shields? A LT in Tait who many thought was soft and couldn't cut it at LT. Waters was just starting out on the OL. Weigman was a castoff. Riley was thought of as a bad RT.

Well, Tait did just fine. Waters was in the Pro-Bowl three years later and many thought he should have been there sooner. Weigman wasn't a "castoff" but a part time player with the Bears. Riley was not thought of as being "bad" but he was a psycho. After his contract was up, he started for New Orleans.

But regardless, it was superior, no matter how you look at it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-26-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're right.

It was bad luck that Brady had his ACL shredded by Bernard Pollard.

And not just bad luck for Brady...

**BossChief** · 10-26-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are incorrect.

Waters was originally signed as an undrafted college free agent by the Cowboys as a tight end. After he was cut, he came to KC and played in 6 games in 2000. He moved into the starting guard position in 2001 and by 2004, was a Pro-Bowler.

None of that negates the fact that the 2001 offensive line was far superior to the 2009 version.

you're right. I had to look it up. iirc didnt he play some center that year while transitioning?

Lots of stuff clouding my memory from that long ago.