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Old 10-26-2009, 07:36 PM   #1
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I am not talking exclusively about Cassel. This whole team around him is god awful.
This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:37 PM   #2
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This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.
Because him being shit sets us back 2 or 3 more years in how long it will take to be good again, so it's not fun to admit that he might suck.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:39 PM   #3
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This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.
For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:44 PM   #4
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For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.
Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:46 PM   #5
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Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.
And he put in Gutierrez and not Croyle because of Croyle comes in and leads the team to a TD or something, he has a problem on his hands.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:47 PM   #6
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And he put in Gutierrez and not Croyle because of Croyle comes in and leads the team to a TD or something, he has a problem on his hands.
That would play right into Haley's hands. Push, push, push
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:47 PM   #7
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Haley seems to be switching out a lot of players at a lot of positions. Trying to see who fits where best. It took us being down 20+ points in the fourth quarter for him to switch out Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I want whoever plays to succeed. I don't know. I just don't like what I see in Cassel. Call it woman's intuition...lol.
I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:49 PM   #8
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I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.
I think Haley might be worse than Herm, I'm already tired of these stupid 4th down decisions and all the onside kicks that make no sense.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:51 PM   #9
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I think Haley might be worse than Herm, I'm already tired of these stupid 4th down decisions and all the onside kicks that make no sense.
I am willing to cut Haley some slack he is learning on the job. Herm was still making stupid decisions 7 years into being a head coach.

I just get a little flustrated because I thought Haley was alot more aggressive play caller in Arizona than he is here. I know there is a big difference talent wise but running up the butt every first down is Herm esque.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:55 PM   #10
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I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.
I guess that's what makes him a part of the team. Inconsistency.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:01 PM   #11
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I guess that's what makes him a part of the team. Inconsistency.
Yep.

The one thing though I think everybody should give Cassel credit for is how tough he is. The man has probably been hit more times than any QB this year and he continues to get up and fight.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:02 PM   #12
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Yep.

The one thing though I think everybody should give Cassel credit for is how tough he is. The man has probably been hit more times than any QB this year and he continues to get up and fight.
That's something I can agree with.
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:20 AM   #13
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For me I was never a Cassel fan and I thought he was a 1 year wonder. But he is a Chief now and I don't want him to fail plus I am going to give Pioli the benefit of the doubt. Most people thought this team was not very good I predicted 4-5 wins and that maybe high now.

I want to see a full offseason with Pioli and everyone in place to see what kind of team he builds. If next year we still suck at 1-6 then the honeymoon will be over at least for me anyway. For others it is already over.
I have very little faith in Pioli at this point.

The fact that he went against the value of the '09 draft and forced an immediate switch to the 34 when a more effective play would have been to place a higher priority on the OL and make the switch with the next draft, a deep defensive draft makes me question his plan.

The fact that the only players he's signing are almost all players that he or Haley have a history with makes me question his talent evaluation.

He better have one hell of an offseason to make me think he's anything more that the Hoodie's glorified ball washer.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:41 PM   #14
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This is true, but everyone is always so quick to defend him. I just haven't caught on as to why.
Because there are some on this forum that are intent on despising the shit out of him and not giving even an ounce of a benefit of a doubt.

Most of his critics acknowledge that he has a shitty supporting cast, and yet won't even slightly acknowledge that maybe the shitty supporting cast might be contributing to some of his problems too. THat's the part that gets me.

Nobody on this board is saying he's been great or even good. They are just saying that he deserves to have at least a little help before we can start judging.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:44 PM   #15
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Nobody on this board is saying he's been great or even good. They are just saying that he deserves to have at least a little help before we can start judging.
100% correct.
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