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Hammock Parties · 10:09 PM

Haley Should Cut Johnson

Todd Haley didn’t want to talk about Larry Johnson at Monday’s press conference. His only comment on the situation – a combination Twitter/locker room meltdown from Johnson – was to issue a canned statement about how he expects his players to behave.

“How our men conduct themselves and how they represent the Chiefs is very important to me personally, and to our owner and general manager,” he said. “So that’s what’s most important - how the Kansas City Chiefs represent themselves in the city of Kansas City and the country.

“I’m not going to go into that any further, because we are looking into the situation. I will reiterate again how our players conduct themselves with and through the media in a public setting is very important to us as an organization. We are gathering facts, so to speak.”

Haley really didn’t have to say much more, and in fact, his silence spoke volumes. That’s because Johnson has become largely irrelevant in Kansas City. That much is evident when the biggest headline he’s made this year is because of his words, not because of his actions.

Johnson hasn’t broken a run over 17 yards this season. He’s averaging only 2.7 yards per carry and hasn’t scored a touchdown. Sure, the Chiefs can’t block and the lack of a deep threat means the line of scrimmage is as crowded as can be. It’s not easy for LJ. That doesn’t mean Haley can’t find another running back to do what Johnson has done this year.

It’s time for Haley to cut Johnson. When a player doesn’t produce on the field and embarrasses himself, his organization and his fans, what other option is there?

Johnson has betrayed any trust anyone might have placed in him. Despite his past, Haley gave him a clean slate, started him in every game this season, handed him the ball more than anyone else, and he’s squandered that opportunity. Scott Pioli deemed Johnson’s talents suitable for his roster this season, but now Pioli has to be wondering why Johnson wasn’t the first player he cut during the offseason. Team owner Clark Hunt went so far as to express confidence in Johnson through the media, despite all his off-the-field troubles and comments about wanting to leave Kansas City.

Apparently all of that was lost on Larry as he fired up his keyboard and his mouth. He collectively slapped KC’s leadership in the face with a few Twitter comments and a homosexual slur in the locker room. Is that any way to represent the Chiefs?

Johnson’s coming apology, announced through his agent Monday, will be hollow and worthless, like his contributions on the field of play. We’ve heard it all before. Larry has apologized for all of his misdeeds, but they just keep on coming. So, we shouldn’t accept his apology.

Will Haley?

While he wouldn’t talk about his “star” running back Monday, he spoke at length on the subject Johnson trashed him over – his lack of experience playing football. Haley spent his college years playing golf for Florida and Miami. But he was clear in pointing out that it didn’t strike him as a negative, that plenty of great NFL head coaches lacked real playing experience.

“I’m very proud of the route that I took to get to where I am right now,” said Haley. “I’m very proud of being able to grow up around, in my opinion, one of the best football people that there are, and to be around the teams and the players that I was around on a daily basis. I think that that has given me great insight, as I’ve progressed in the coaching field, into what good and great is supposed to look like.”

“I think I’m here for a reason. I think I’ve earned what I’ve done in the NFL through hard work and through executions and results. I think if playing is a prerequisite for being a great coach, you can eliminate some names, so, like I said, I’m here to coach. I’m not here to play."

So it’s obvious Haley isn’t losing any sleep over Johnson’s comments. In fact, according to one report, he waltzed into KC’s team meeting Monday with a golf cap on, much to the amusement of his team – everyone except Johnson, who apparently wouldn’t even make eye contact with his head coach.

If Larry can’t even look Haley in the eye now, what future does he have with the Chiefs? Why does he have any worth to the team as the only running back in the NFL with more than 100 carries but less than three yards per carry? Even if he rips off 300 yards rushing and six touchdowns against the Jaguars after KC’s bye week, is it really worth it if he’s going to attempt to undermine the authority of his head coach in a public forum and shoot his mouth off in the locker room, inciting anger from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation?

The only logical course of action for Haley is to cut Johnson. At the least, he should be deactivated and banned from Arrowhead Stadium for the rest of the season before being dumped in the offseason.

Not only does this rid the Chiefs of a huge distraction, it denies Johnson the chance to break Priest Holmes' franchise rushing record. Johnson doesn't deserve the record. If he breaks it (he only needs about 80 yards), he will have limped to it in the most pathetic way possible. Johnson is the antithesis of Holmes both on and off the field. It would be an embarrassment to everything the Chiefs stand for - hard work, loyalty and sportsmanship - if Johnson held a major team record for the next decade or two. It would be a blight on the history of the franchise.

Johnson has no value to the Chiefs that Jamaal Charles or Kolby Smith can’t provide (other than drama). Haley, of course, actually talked about Charles and Smith Monday.

“I’ll say this about Jamaal, I think Jamaal is starting to get it,” said Haley.

“I think Kolby Smith looks like a running back, and I like the way he works and the way he acts,” said Haley.

Is Johnson “starting to get it?” Does anyone currently like “the way he acts?”

Based on his behavior since Sunday’s game, it doesn’t appear so. Haley can save himself plenty of headaches by removing Johnson’s presence from KC’s locker room and preferably, the franchise as a whole. And then he won’t ever need to talk about him again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-27-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

They should have shit canned Jimmy Johnson and company in Dallas after their first year too, they went 1-15 in 89' after going 3-13 the year before like a bunch of clowns. They obviously did irreparable damage by not immediately getting better.

Bill Walsh went 2-14 his first year after taking over the 49'ers. They went 5-11 the second year. What a joke.

Obviously if you don't make immediate improvement you are a bust.

So, you're comparing Haley to Bill Walsh & Jimmy Johnson?

Seriously?

Let me get this straight: You feel that Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson's coaching pedigree was the same as Todd Haley's?

Marcellus · 10-27-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you're comparing Haley to Bill Walsh & Jimmy Johnson?

Seriously?

Let me get this straight: You feel that Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson's coaching pedigree was the same as Todd Haley's?

See this is your problem, you fail to understand simple points. I was simply stating that teams can go backwards before going forward and it is not an overnight task with this much work to do. Surly you can get that? You can understand that you would rather just be a dick which unlike giving decent arguments regarding the point at hand, you are good at.

I never said Haley was JJ or BW, but was countering your ****ing reeruned statement about calling them a bust after 7 games.

Do you really think people thought Dallas was getting better the 89' season? They were getting ripped by everybody in the media. Thank God there weren't message boards back then. Oh yea, they wouldn't have given shit just like I am sure Pioli and Clark could give a **** less what DaneMcCloud football message board genius thinks.

You are a hopeless dickhead.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-27-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Ryan Succop hasn't improved the team, Dane?

JFC Claythan, SAUTO could draft a ****ing kicker.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-27-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

See this is your problem, you fail to understand simple points. I was simply stating that teams can go backwards before going forward and it is not an overnight task with this much work to do. Surly you can get that? You can understand that you would rather just be a dick which unlike giving decent arguments regarding the point at hand, you are good at.

I never said Haley was JJ or BW, but was countering your ****ing reeruned statement about calling them a bust after 7 games.

Do you really think people thought Dallas was getting better the 89' season? They were getting ripped by everybody in the media. Thank God there weren't message boards back then. Oh yea, they wouldn't have given shit just like I am sure Pioli and Clark could give a **** less what DaneMcCloud football message board genius thinks.

You are a hopeless dickhead.

No, you're just a ****ing moron.

Bill Walsh coached under the legendary Paul Brown. He coached at Stanford. He actually had a track record before Eddie DeBartolo hired him.

Jimmy Johnson was successful at Oklahoma State and even more so at the University of Miami. He actually had a track record before Jerry Jones hired him.

Neither men were in danger of losing their jobs or their teams, regardless of their poor first seasons because the players knew of their histories. They knew that they could believe in them and their vision.

Todd Haley has been a WR's coach for the majority of his career. He didn't coach high school and he didn't coach in college. He wasn't a head coach at any level, anywhere, before being hired by the Chiefs.

Comparing Haley to two Hall of Fame Coaches is tenuous at best and ****ing stupid at worst.

Oh, and no one gives a **** about you or your worthless opinion, Asswipe.

LOCOChief · 10-27-2009, 05:11 PM

Let me get this straight, the Haley, Pioli and Clark are complete **** ups?

The Poz · 10-27-2009, 07:37 PM

Maybe LJ gone by the end of the week? Don't know how reliable this source is but....

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiret...larry_johnson/

Jeff Risdon/RealGM - The Kansas City Chiefs will sever ties with problematic running back Larry Johnson, according to a team source that spoke to RealGM's Jeff Risdon on Tuesday afternoon.

The league and the team are investigating a pair of recent incidents, including one where Johnson used a gay slur. This is not the first time Johnson has gotten himself in trouble by using a gay slur, having had to apologize for the same offense last season. He was forced to apologize for this, as well as for negative comments directed at head coach Todd Haley. Haley has thus far refused comment.

The team has barred Johnson from any contact with the team.

This is a precursory move before the team formally releases Johnson before the end of the week, according to the source.

Part of the delay in releasing him involves going through the NFL’s disciplinary investigation, but the source was adamant that Larry Johnson has played his last game in Kansas City

OctoberFart · 10-27-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

yesterday...YESTERDAY, you made every excuse in the book for LJ. Now 24 hours later you're saying cut his ass.

you have no integrity. its ok, nobodys perfect

You really didn't use integrity and reference to GOQUEER did you? That guy should make fat people flip flops for as much as he does it.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnWind

You really didn't use integrity and reference to GOQUEER did you? That guy should make fat people flip flops for as much as he does it.

GoChiefs is our little soft bitch... Our own personal disfunctional Mangini....

We tolerate him and his 4 year old temper tantrums........

So far his Death Cockholster is taking down another one of the Chiefs players....

Who knows whos next....

soundmind · 10-27-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clark's been in charge for years.

Pioli and Haley have been in charge since February, which is not six months.

I think it's safe to say that since none of their draft picks have improved the team or proven to be game changing playmakers and the fact that the Chiefs are 1-6, I'd think it's safe to label them "busts" to this point.

So far, they're the polar opposite of their counterparts in Denver.

You're right, 8 months. Christ. Who wouldn't have had this team 7-0 by now? These guys are turds.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-27-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

You're right, 8 months. Christ. Who wouldn't have had this team 7-0 by now? These guys are turds.

**** off, Dummy.

How has this team improved?

20+ new players. 7 draft choices. 1-6.

Tell us.

Or just SHUT THE **** UP!

WildTurkey · 10-27-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

You're right, 8 months. Christ. Who wouldn't have had this team 7-0 by now? These guys are turds.

I know... it was a nice attempt by this current admin but I say lets tear the ****er down and start the rebuild over again

Sure-Oz · 10-27-2009, 10:42 PM

kb_kcstar Considering everything I've heard, and mixing in some logic gathered from the team's "investigation," I don't think LJ will be cut this wk.half a minute ago from web

**jAZ** · 10-27-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really?

Prove otherwise.

No more ****ing squirrely DC mumbo jumbo.

Douchetard

Bring it ON, Mother****er.

The day Clark Hunt signs puts Mayflower Moving Company on retainer and forces Kansas City to play rent-a-team with LA every decade he can be considered in the same breath as Al Davis.

Until such a time, and for that reason alone, no team in the history or future of the NFL will ever have a worse owner than Al Davis.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-27-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

The day Clark Hunt signs puts Mayflower Moving Company on retainer and forces Kansas City to play rent-a-team with LA every decade he can be considered in the same breath as Al Davis.

Until such a time, and for that reason alone, no team in the history or future of the NFL will ever have a worse owner than Al Davis.

You should really contain yourself to DC, Dumb****.

The Raiders have won three Super Bowls and appeared in a fourth since the Chiefs have won ONE.

JFC.

Are you really this stupid?

**jAZ** · 10-27-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Clark's only real move so far has been hiring the most sought after GM candidte of the last 5 years.

My god this is taking stupid to 11.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are epic ****ing stupid when it comes to football

Outstanding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Gee, thanks JWhit for introducing Chiefs fans to the most successful GM of this decade.

As if we aren't already aware.

10-26-2009, 10:02 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $760478	Haley Should Cut Johnson Haley Should Cut Johnson Todd Haley didn’t want to talk about Larry Johnson at Monday’s press conference. His only comment on the situation – a combination Twitter/locker room meltdown from Johnson – was to issue a canned statement about how he expects his players to behave. “How our men conduct themselves and how they represent the Chiefs is very important to me personally, and to our owner and general manager,” he said. “So that’s what’s most important - how the Kansas City Chiefs represent themselves in the city of Kansas City and the country. “I’m not going to go into that any further, because we are looking into the situation. I will reiterate again how our players conduct themselves with and through the media in a public setting is very important to us as an organization. We are gathering facts, so to speak.” Haley really didn’t have to say much more, and in fact, his silence spoke volumes. That’s because Johnson has become largely irrelevant in Kansas City. That much is evident when the biggest headline he’s made this year is because of his words, not because of his actions. Johnson hasn’t broken a run over 17 yards this season. He’s averaging only 2.7 yards per carry and hasn’t scored a touchdown. Sure, the Chiefs can’t block and the lack of a deep threat means the line of scrimmage is as crowded as can be. It’s not easy for LJ. That doesn’t mean Haley can’t find another running back to do what Johnson has done this year. It’s time for Haley to cut Johnson. When a player doesn’t produce on the field and embarrasses himself, his organization and his fans, what other option is there? Johnson has betrayed any trust anyone might have placed in him. Despite his past, Haley gave him a clean slate, started him in every game this season, handed him the ball more than anyone else, and he’s squandered that opportunity. Scott Pioli deemed Johnson’s talents suitable for his roster this season, but now Pioli has to be wondering why Johnson wasn’t the first player he cut during the offseason. Team owner Clark Hunt went so far as to express confidence in Johnson through the media, despite all his off-the-field troubles and comments about wanting to leave Kansas City. Apparently all of that was lost on Larry as he fired up his keyboard and his mouth. He collectively slapped KC’s leadership in the face with a few Twitter comments and a homosexual slur in the locker room. Is that any way to represent the Chiefs? Johnson’s coming apology, announced through his agent Monday, will be hollow and worthless, like his contributions on the field of play. We’ve heard it all before. Larry has apologized for all of his misdeeds, but they just keep on coming. So, we shouldn’t accept his apology. Will Haley? While he wouldn’t talk about his “star” running back Monday, he spoke at length on the subject Johnson trashed him over – his lack of experience playing football. Haley spent his college years playing golf for Florida and Miami. But he was clear in pointing out that it didn’t strike him as a negative, that plenty of great NFL head coaches lacked real playing experience. “I’m very proud of the route that I took to get to where I am right now,” said Haley. “I’m very proud of being able to grow up around, in my opinion, one of the best football people that there are, and to be around the teams and the players that I was around on a daily basis. I think that that has given me great insight, as I’ve progressed in the coaching field, into what good and great is supposed to look like.” “I think I’m here for a reason. I think I’ve earned what I’ve done in the NFL through hard work and through executions and results. I think if playing is a prerequisite for being a great coach, you can eliminate some names, so, like I said, I’m here to coach. I’m not here to play." So it’s obvious Haley isn’t losing any sleep over Johnson’s comments. In fact, according to one report, he waltzed into KC’s team meeting Monday with a golf cap on, much to the amusement of his team – everyone except Johnson, who apparently wouldn’t even make eye contact with his head coach. If Larry can’t even look Haley in the eye now, what future does he have with the Chiefs? Why does he have any worth to the team as the only running back in the NFL with more than 100 carries but less than three yards per carry? Even if he rips off 300 yards rushing and six touchdowns against the Jaguars after KC’s bye week, is it really worth it if he’s going to attempt to undermine the authority of his head coach in a public forum and shoot his mouth off in the locker room, inciting anger from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation? The only logical course of action for Haley is to cut Johnson. At the least, he should be deactivated and banned from Arrowhead Stadium for the rest of the season before being dumped in the offseason. Not only does this rid the Chiefs of a huge distraction, it denies Johnson the chance to break Priest Holmes' franchise rushing record. Johnson doesn't deserve the record. If he breaks it (he only needs about 80 yards), he will have limped to it in the most pathetic way possible. Johnson is the antithesis of Holmes both on and off the field. It would be an embarrassment to everything the Chiefs stand for - hard work, loyalty and sportsmanship - if Johnson held a major team record for the next decade or two. It would be a blight on the history of the franchise. Johnson has no value to the Chiefs that Jamaal Charles or Kolby Smith can’t provide (other than drama). Haley, of course, actually talked about Charles and Smith Monday. “I’ll say this about Jamaal, I think Jamaal is starting to get it,” said Haley. “I think Kolby Smith looks like a running back, and I like the way he works and the way he acts,” said Haley. Is Johnson “starting to get it?” Does anyone currently like “the way he acts?” Based on his behavior since Sunday’s game, it doesn’t appear so. Haley can save himself plenty of headaches by removing Johnson’s presence from KC’s locker room and preferably, the franchise as a whole. And then he won’t ever need to talk about him again. Last edited by Hammock Parties; 10-26-2009 at 10:09 PM..
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The Poz Enjoyer of things Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Casino cash: $10012210	Maybe LJ gone by the end of the week? Don't know how reliable this source is but.... http://football.realgm.com/src_wiret...larry_johnson/ Jeff Risdon/RealGM - The Kansas City Chiefs will sever ties with problematic running back Larry Johnson, according to a team source that spoke to RealGM's Jeff Risdon on Tuesday afternoon. The league and the team are investigating a pair of recent incidents, including one where Johnson used a gay slur. This is not the first time Johnson has gotten himself in trouble by using a gay slur, having had to apologize for the same offense last season. He was forced to apologize for this, as well as for negative comments directed at head coach Todd Haley. Haley has thus far refused comment. The team has barred Johnson from any contact with the team. This is a precursory move before the team formally releases Johnson before the end of the week, according to the source. Part of the delay in releasing him involves going through the NFL’s disciplinary investigation, but the source was adamant that Larry Johnson has played his last game in Kansas City
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10-27-2009, 10:42 PM	#117
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $1609383	kb_kcstar Considering everything I've heard, and mixing in some logic gathered from the team's "investigation," I don't think LJ will be cut this wk.half a minute ago from web
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