Chiefs Niswanger's outlook improves ... Chiefs fans mourn

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

First, Morgan has been no worse than Brown in the few instances he's gotten to play.

Second, do you know what the term "raw" means when it comes to talent?

Almost every scouting report written on Morgan said he has a ton of upside, but that he's raw. He needs to PLAY, where he can learn on the fly.

We know what we're going to get out of Brown. Nothing.

So forgive some of us that would rather see a kid with some possible upside play, and see if he can turn into a serviceable or better player. We're 1-6. There is NOTHING to lose by playing him, and EVERYTHING to gain.

honestly i would like to see him play and find out what we have also. BUT if he's obviously not getting it done in practice against OUR team then...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

honestly i would like to see him play and find out what we have also. BUT if he's obviously not getting it done in practice against OUR team then...

Getting what done in practice?

Practice during the season consists of glorified walk-throughs.

We'll never find out what we have in players based on practice. Hell, even training camp, for that matter.

If you want to find out if a guy can play in the NFL, he needs to play in real, regular season NFL games.

Practice, TC, etc are not a substitute.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Getting what done in practice?

Practice during the season consists of glorified walk-throughs.

We'll never find out what we have in players based on practice. Hell, even training camp, for that matter.

If you want to find out if a guy can play in the NFL, he needs to play in real, regular season NFL games.

Practice, TC, etc are not a substitute.

ok why would YOU say that he didnt get much playing time last year?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 04:11 PM

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ok why would YOU say that he didnt get much playing time last year?

I think if Herm was the coach now, he'd be playing ahead of Brown.

As it was last year, he had several things going against him.

One, he was a rookie.

Two, rightly or wrongly, the organization was happy with the play of Page, and barring injury, Pollard wasn't coming off the field, as they were going to give him every opportunity possible to "get it", seeing as how they invested a R2 pick on him.

In 2009, none of those apply. He's not sitting behind other young players, he's sitting behind a couple of scrub veterans.

If this truly is an "evaluation" year, then we should be evaluating our young players, correct?

Guys like Goff and Brown are getting in the way of possible progress.

**Buehler445** · 10-28-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think if Herm was the coach now, he'd be playing ahead of Brown.

As it was last year, he had several things going against him.

One, he was a rookie.

Two, rightly or wrongly, the organization was happy with the play of Page, and barring injury, Pollard wasn't coming off the field, as they were going to give him every opportunity possible to "get it", seeing as how they invested a R2 pick on him.

In 2009, none of those apply. He's not sitting behind other young players, he's sitting behind a couple of scrub veterans.

If this truly is an "evaluation" year, then we should be evaluating our young players, correct?

Guys like Goff and Brown are getting in the way of possible progress.

While I agree that worthless ****ers like Brown and Goff are hindering progress, I will disagree with you that if Herm was here Morgan would be starting. If Herm was here Pollard would be starting.

I will say that old guys like Vrabel and ...well...**** it, just Vrabel has been less better than worthless.

I wish Wade and Engram were more effective, but at this point I want to see if Bradley can develop.
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 04:28 PM

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While I agree that worthless ****ers like Brown and Goff are hindering progress, I will disagree with you that if Herm was here Morgan would be starting. If Herm was here Pollard would be starting.

I will say that old guys like Vrabel and ...well...**** it, just Vrabel has been less better than worthless.

I wish Wade and Engram were more effective, but at this point I want to see if Bradley can develop.
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True. I was going under the assumption that he had the current roster to work with.

And I agree completely on Bradley.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think if Herm was the coach now, he'd be playing ahead of Brown.

As it was last year, he had several things going against him.

One, he was a rookie.

Two, rightly or wrongly, the organization was happy with the play of Page, and barring injury, Pollard wasn't coming off the field, as they were going to give him every opportunity possible to "get it", seeing as how they invested a R2 pick on him.

In 2009, none of those apply. He's not sitting behind other young players, he's sitting behind a couple of scrub veterans.

If this truly is an "evaluation" year, then we should be evaluating our young players, correct?

Guys like Goff and Brown are getting in the way of possible progress.

#1 Herm never was scared to play a rookie if he was better than what was ahead of him
#2 one word Mcgraw. he sat behind john mcgraw, and we all thought it was because herm loved him, BUT the same is happening this year. WHY? maybe morgan just doesnt "GET IT"

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

#1 Herm never was scared to play a rookie if he was better than what was ahead of him
#2 one word Mcgraw. he sat behind john mcgraw, and we all thought it was because herm loved him, BUT the same is happening this year. WHY? maybe morgan just doesnt "GET IT"
#2

#1. Read what I wrote. They were happy with the play of Page. And they weren't ready to give up on a 2nd round pick.

#2. In your opinion, could Morgan play any worse than what Brown and McGraw have shown?

He's not going to "get it" by sitting on the bench.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:13 PM

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#1. Read what I wrote. They were happy with the play of Page. And they weren't ready to give up on a 2nd round pick.

#2. In your opinion, could Morgan play any worse than what Brown and McGraw have shown?

He's not going to "get it" by sitting on the bench.

as to #1 why did they draft him then? and why did they use mcgraw instead?

#2 was about last year. morgan played behind mcgraw last year and then this year, WHY? two front offices and HCs have had the chance to play him and he hasnt gotten playing time. i ask YOU why? i mean through two entirely different regimes and the same thing happens, iMO speaks to the player

Mr. Laz · 10-28-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Practice, TC, etc are not a substitute.

practice and training camp are worthless evaluation tools that the entire league uses.

brilliant

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 04:22 PM

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practice and training camp are worthless evaluation tools that they entire league uses.

brilliant

Talking out of your ass, yet again.

Please direct me to the part of any of my posts where I said they were worthless.

If you're so ignorant to think that performance in practice and TC is a more accurate barometer to future performance than performance in a real, regular season game, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Your whole outlook on this subject seems to have more to do with opposing Clayton than actually thinking rationally on your own.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Talking out of your ass, yet again.

Please direct me to the part of any of my posts where I said they were worthless.

If you're so ignorant to think that performance in practice and TC is a more accurate barometer to future performance than performance in a real, regular season game, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Your whole outlook on this subject seems to have more to do with opposing Clayton than actually thinking rationally on your own.

yet EVERY team in the nfl uses TC to judge players. thats how they determine who makes the roster right?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 05:11 PM

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yet EVERY team in the nfl uses TC to judge players. thats how they determine who makes the roster right?

What does that have to do with this statement?

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If you're so ignorant to think that performance in practice and TC is a more accurate barometer to future performance than performance in a real, regular season game, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Its commonly said that the coaches know who 45+ of the 53 players are that will make the final roster.

Playing in actual games is a MORE accurate barometer as to determining a players ability - as I said.