Chiefs Niswanger's outlook improves ... Chiefs fans mourn - Page 5

Mr. Laz · 10-28-2009, 10:45 AM

Niswanger’s outlook improves

The outlook for center Rudy Niswanger, who left Sunday’s game with a left knee injury, had Haley “encouraged,” the coach said.

“He’s a tough guy,” Haley said, “so I wouldn’t put it past him to find a way back sooner rather than later.”

Haley said Monday that Niswanger suffered a “significant” injury and indicated that it could threaten the lineman’s season. But the coach said Tuesday that Niswanger “definitely” would play again in 2009 and that “you might see him again in two weeks” against

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**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, the point is that Todd Haley is clueless.

Why are Goof and Niswanger on the field? Why have Lance Long and Bobby Wade seen more playing time than Mark Bradley? Why has Dwayne Bowe only caught 23 balls in 7 games, making on pace for 52 on the year when he had 86 last year? Why has DeMorrio Williams been starting in place of Derrick Johnson?

Why, why, why, why, why?

There are SO questions to ask about the personnel decisions being made about this team that getting upset about Morgan is about 10th on the list of personnel decisions to be upset about.

well long and wade probably havent dropped as many passes as the others, same point as bowe, johnson obviously IS NOT buying into what they are trying to accomplish and williams is. bradley had a problem LINING up in the right spot and getting to the marker on 3rd downs

milkman · 10-28-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

what injury did he have? who's to say he has more upside? and upside only takes you so far. it may never be realized and if the guy is not doing the right things in practice or TC then maybe thats why he's not playing.

He was drafted because he was a talented player with huge upside that many felt had the potential to be the best safety in last year's draft, over time.

He was extremely raw, however, and had a huge learning curve.

The fact is, if he were out there playing right now, he'd probably make a lot of errors and be responsible for giving up some big plays, but assuming he has the talent that many thought he has, he very likely would flash and also make some big plays.

And he did make a couple of big plays in this last preseason, against the Rams, I believe.

We did get to see a flash or two of the talent he owns.

The fact is, the best way to learn is to play.

But guys like Brown and Mike Goff prove the lie that is there are no sacred cows with Todd Haley and Scott Pioli.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

well long and wade probably havent dropped as many passes as the others, same point as bowe, johnson obviously IS NOT buying into what they are trying to accomplish and williams is. bradley had a problem LINING up in the right spot and getting to the marker on 3rd downs

Give me a break.

So you're pronouncing that Bobby Wade and Lance Long are better NFL receivers than Mark Bradley?

Huh?

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know more. I know his coach from NC State. He's now a D-coordinator at another NCAA D-I school. He offered me Morgan's number last year in an effort to cheer him up because he was injured and not playing.

I'm assuming that you've played sports before. Haven't you ever witnessed coaches playing less talented guys before? Playing favorites? Who the **** KNOWS why Morgan is sitting.

Only Haley and his band of merry men.

i'm betting that if morgan showed that he was better and could do what waas asked of him he would play. what injury did he have last year?

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Give me a break.

So you're pronouncing that Bobby Wade and Lance Long are better NFL receivers than Mark Bradley?

Huh?

nope i said they are doing it the way the TEAM wants it done better, more consistently, than bradley. that is the only thing that actually makes sense

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, the point is that Todd Haley is clueless.

Why are Goof and Niswanger on the field? Why have Lance Long and Bobby Wade seen more playing time than Mark Bradley? Why has Dwayne Bowe only caught 23 balls in 7 games, making on pace for 52 on the year when he had 86 last year? Why has DeMorrio Williams been starting in place of Derrick Johnson?

Why, why, why, why, why?

There are SO questions to ask about the personnel decisions being made about this team that getting upset about Morgan is about 10th on the list of personnel decisions to be upset about.

The Bowe situation pisses me off more than any other.

This should have been his breakout year. 3rd year in the league, with a HC that Fitz swears by as a position coach.

Instead, he's regressed massively.

Matter of fact, most if not all our young players, sans Dorsey (and arguably Hali - he's a wash, IMO) have regressed under Haley and his staff.

Albert.
Bowe.
Bradley.
Page.
Carr.
Leggett.

Etc.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

He was drafted because he was a talented player with huge upside that many felt had the potential to be the best safety in last year's draft, over time.

He was extremely raw, however, and had a huge learning curve.

The fact is, if he were out there playing right now, he'd probably make a lot of errors and be responsible for giving up some big plays, but assuming he has the talent that many thought he has, he very likely would flash and also make some big plays.

And he did make a couple of big plays in this last preseason, against the Rams, I believe.

We did get to see a flash or two of the talent he owns.

The fact is, the best way to learn is to play.

But guys like Brown and Mike Goff prove the lie that is there are no sacred cows with Todd Haley and Scott Pioli.

i remember him having a decent game this PS. everything i could find from the draft says he projects better than he actually plays, could be inexperience but could be that he plays with too much emotion and not much consistency.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

nope i said they are doing it the way the TEAM wants it done better, more consistently, than bradley. that is the only thing that actually makes sense

Dude, the bottom line is that they're ALL doing it worse since his arrival.

Mark Bradley had a very nice eight games after joining the Chiefs and looked to be an excellent addition to Bowe's 86 catches.

Instead, both receivers, Bowe & Bradley are going to get half the catches this year from last year. That's ****ing idiotic.

I'm sorry, but I don't want to hear this shit about it being done "right" when the numbers prove otherwise.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The Bowe situation pisses me off more than any other.

This should have been his breakout year. 3rd year in the league, with a HC that Fitz swears by as a position coach.

Instead, he's regressed massively.

Matter of fact, most if not all our young players, sans Dorsey (and arguably Hali - he's a wash, IMO) have regressed under Haley and his staff.

Albert.
Bowe.
Bradley.
Page.
Carr.
Leggett.

Etc.

bode has proven that he cant make the routine catch thus far. THATS the problem there, he dropped at least 2 more last game, carr is playing about the same as last year IMO. bradley has problems even lining up in the right spot.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i remember him having a decent game this PS. everything i could find from the draft says he projects better than he actually plays, could be inexperience but could be that he plays with too much emotion and not much consistency.

How can you grade him on consistency when he's averaging less than 3 defensive snaps per game over his career?

Christ, people expect immediate results from rookies, and when they don't get them, that player is a bust.

The guy is a 3rd round pick that has barely played. The only way to even consider judging him is to start him every week from here on out - and even then, that's not enough time, IMO.

Everyone thought Mario Williams was a bust. Everyone thought Eli Manning was a bust.

And those guys were picked #1 overall.

Imagine the learning curve for a 3rd round pick, who declared early.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The Bowe situation pisses me off more than any other.

This should have been his breakout year. 3rd year in the league, with a HC that Fitz swears by as a position coach.

Instead, he's regressed massively.

Matter of fact, most if not all our young players, sans Dorsey (and arguably Hali - he's a wash, IMO) have regressed under Haley and his staff.

Albert.
Bowe.
Bradley.
Page.
Carr.
Leggett.

Etc.

Yeah, this shit pisses me off beyond belief. And with Tank & Turk shipped out, along with Pollard, it's just even more maddening.

I just ****ing KNEW this was going to happen after they fired Herm. Herm had the personnel heading in the right direction and I absolutely guarantee that this roster would have been stocked with talent for the next coach in 2010.

Now, we're starting from scratch. Again. AND we're further away from having a competitive defense and a competitive offense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-28-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

bode has proven that he cant make the routine catch thus far. THATS the problem there, he dropped at least 2 more last game, carr is playing about the same as last year IMO. bradley has problems even lining up in the right spot.

Problems? One time?

WTF?

I can tell you that as a high school receiver, I once lined up offsides in a controlled scrimmage with referees.

It happens.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Problems? One time?

WTF?

I can tell you that as a high school receiver, I once lined up offsides in a controlled scrimmage with referees.

It happens.

I'M pretty sure it happened more than once. and you were in HS thats expected not in the NFL.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-28-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, this shit pisses me off beyond belief. And with Tank & Turk shipped out, along with Pollard, it's just even more maddening.

I just ****ing KNEW this was going to happen after they fired Herm. Herm had the personnel heading in the right direction and I absolutely guarantee that this roster would have been stocked with talent for the next coach in 2010.

Now, we're starting from scratch. Again. AND we're further away from having a competitive defense and a competitive offense.

Want to hear something funny?

Houston's run defense has moved up 10 spots from #31 to #21 since Pollard's arrival in the starting lineup.

They've held Hightower, Benson and Gore all under 50 yards.

Why?

They're playing him in run support, instead of playing him deeper like we were.

Amazing what happens when you put players in a position to succeed and play to their strengths.

**SAUTO** · 10-28-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How can you grade him on consistency when he's averaging less than 3 defensive snaps per game over his career?

Christ, people expect immediate results from rookies, and when they don't get them, that player is a bust.

The guy is a 3rd round pick that has barely played. The only way to even consider judging him is to start him every week from here on out - and even then, that's not enough time, IMO.

Everyone thought Mario Williams was a bust. Everyone thought Eli Manning was a bust.

And those guys were picked #1 overall.

Imagine the learning curve for a 3rd round pick, who declared early.

Dude thats what they said about him leading up to his draft, not what i'm saying about him now. i said that in my post

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