Chiefs Is it conceivable for the Chiefs to dump Pioli & Haley and get Cowher for GM & HC?

ChiefsCountry · 11-01-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

The only players he knows and trusts the scouting on are the ones he had a "hands on" process with. I understand Dimitroff handled this mostly, but man Pioli is basicallly alone right now as far as talent goes. Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin...

During the time when getting the lackadaisical, lazy loser mentality out of the teams brain, it isnt a complete fail to bring in players that are used to being around winning.

I have given them a leash in this situation that may be a little longer than I gave in past ones because of the total fail they were willing to take over and hopefully transform into a winning franchise and their records in doing so are there for all to see.

If we are still a team getting blown out by middle of the pack teams like the Chargers during the first quarter of next year, I will open the floodgates...but I didnt really expect too much progress up to this point because of what they were given.

That fair?

The Herm/Carl Scout thing is a just a bunch of bull shit. Scouts just collect information they really have no say any football decision.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The Herm/Carl Scout thing is a just a bunch of bull shit. Scouts just collect information they really have no say any football decision.

isnt that pretty much exactly what I said?

milkman · 11-01-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

isnt that pretty much exactly what I said?

No.

You are trying to shift blame for the failures of Pioli/Haley in finding talent outside of the "tree" away from Pioli/haley.

CC is essentially telling you that is bull.

And he's right.

**Bwana** · 11-01-2009, 07:33 AM

Oh boy

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No.

You are trying to shift blame for the failures of Pioli/Haley in finding talent outside of the "tree" away from Pioli/haley.

CC is essentially telling you that is bull.

And he's right.

here is what I actually said though, maybe it was taken wrong...I will try to be more clear in future posts.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
It has nothing to do with the W's and L's. The problem stems from the myopic dipshittery of the regime, thinking that because players came from NE, Miami, Dallas, or Az that they are the only worthwhile NFL players. Compound that with the belief that the 3-4 is the only defense to run, and you have rampant one who sucks the penisy and ineffectiveness which belies itself in the weekly performance.

BossChief:

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

The only players he knows and trusts the scouting on are the ones he had a "hands on" process with. I understand Dimitroff handled this mostly, but man Pioli is basicallly alone right now as far as talent goes. Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin...

During the time when getting the lackadaisical, lazy loser mentality out of the teams brain, it isnt a complete fail to bring in players that are used to being around winning.

I have given them a leash in this situation that may be a little longer than I gave in past ones because of the total fail they were willing to take over and hopefully transform into a winning franchise and their records in doing so are there for all to see.

If we are still a team getting blown out by middle of the pack teams like the Chargers during the first quarter of next year, I will open the floodgates...but I didnt really expect too much progress up to this point because of what they were given.

That fair?

If that is that far off base, we will hjust have to agree to disagree.

That is what discussion boards are for I guess. Would be hella boring if everyone agreed with everything.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

here is what I actually said though, maybe it was taken wrong...I will try to be more clear in future posts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
It has nothing to do with the W's and L's. The problem stems from the myopic dipshittery of the regime, thinking that because players came from NE, Miami, Dallas, or Az that they are the only worthwhile NFL players. Compound that with the belief that the 3-4 is the only defense to run, and you have rampant one who sucks the penisy and ineffectiveness which belies itself in the weekly performance.

BossChief:

I agree 100%

BUT

take into consideration that Pioli is working off information by HERMS SCOUTS.

The only players he knows and trusts the scouting on are the ones he had a "hands on" process with. I understand Dimitroff handled this mostly, but man Pioli is basicallly alone right now as far as talent goes. Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin...

During the time when getting the lackadaisical, lazy loser mentality out of the teams brain, it isnt a complete fail to bring in players that are used to being around winning.

I have given them a leash in this situation that may be a little longer than I gave in past ones because of the total fail they were willing to take over and hopefully transform into a winning franchise and their records in doing so are there for all to see.

If we are still a team getting blown out by middle of the pack teams like the Chargers during the first quarter of next year, I will open the floodgates...but I didnt really expect too much progress up to this point because of what they were given.

That fair?

If that is that far off base, we will hjust have to agree to disagree.

That is what discussion boards are for I guess. Would be hella boring if everyone agreed with everything.

What you said is essentially that Pioli/Haley are being given a pass in talent evaluation because they didn't have their guys in place.

That's bull.

Scouts gather info.

Even with the old staff, it is Pioli's responsibility to communicate to those guys what they are looking for and sift through the info provided.

Even with the old staff, he should have been able to make sound decisions.

And he did have his staff in place through the preseason whne they were looking at players on the bubble, and he still only brought in the "tree" players.

That's inexcusable.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What you said is essentially that Pioli/Haley are being given a pass in talent evaluation because they didn't have their guys in place.

That's bull.

Scouts gather info.

Even with the old staff, it is Pioli's responsibility to communicate to those guys what they are looking for and sift through the info provided.

Even with the old staff, he should have been able to make sound decisions.

And he did have his staff in place through the preseason whne they were looking at players on the bubble, and he still only brought in the "tree" players.

That's inexcusable.

Bobby wade is'nt a "tree" player to my knowledge, is he? He was a good fringe pickup, not great but obviously better than what we had.

take into account that the previous scouts that were feeding information to him were scouting 4-3 players all year and also had a short time to prepare for a draft in which we would be targeting 3-4 players.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Bobby wade is'nt a "tree" player to my knowledge, is he? He was a good fringe pickup, not great but obviously better than what we had.

take into account that the previous scouts that were feeding information to him were scouting 4-3 players all year and also had a short time to prepare for a draft in which we would be targeting 3-4 players.

Bobby Wade was a member of the Bears when Haley was a member of the staff in Chicago.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

What you said is essentially that Pioli/Haley are being given a pass in talent evaluation because they didn't have their guys in place.

That's bull.

Scouts gather info.

Even with the old staff, it is Pioli's responsibility to communicate to those guys what they are looking for and sift through the info provided.

Even with the old staff, he should have been able to make sound decisions.

And he did have his staff in place through the preseason whne they were looking at players on the bubble, and he still only brought in the "tree" players.

That's inexcusable.

really???

"Not saying Im giving him a pass because the players he did bring in were of the fail to the tenth power, just sayin..."

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