Science White is Right? - Page 2

MikeMaslowski · 11-24-2009, 06:48 AM

I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position?

Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc.

or

Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that.

What do you think?

Have another beer on me!

Maz

Chiefnj2 · 11-24-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I tell you what I've seen in person and thats in baseball. But, its not a black or white thing. It's a middle class, poor thing. Playing little league baseball in the summer at one of the top levels costs $7,000 - $10,000 a summer per team. If your family doesn't have the money, or find a team with a sponsor, your kid plays recreational baseball.

I agree with BRC.

I think money has a large role in today's youth sports. Lots of parents will spend thousands a year on one-on-one trainers and camps and clinics. Child X has his own personal trainer for 2 years and Y doesn't. Even if Y has a good arm, child X has more experience and reps even in the 4th and 5th grade and will get the nod. It's kind of sad.

CoMoChief · 11-24-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I'd be inclined to say that, right now anyway, more white guys fit the bill than black guys. But I don't think it has anything to do with race. Maybe it's a preference from when they were kids. The Black guys wanted to be running backs and recievers, and the white guys wanted to be quarterbacks...

...hell I don't know. But it's obvious that race can't play a role on the talent side per se. Warren Moon was a darn good QB, for instance.

Here's the bigger question...

...when's the last time you EVER saw a black kicker? Roby? I think that's the only one in the history of the world...

...'sup with THAT??

There are a lot of black soccer players though that could IMO easily be transformed into kickers.

DMAC · 11-24-2009, 08:36 AM

Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

NewChief · 11-24-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I agree with BRC.

I think money has a large role in today's youth sports. Lots of parents will spend thousands a year on one-on-one trainers and camps and clinics. Child X has his own personal trainer for 2 years and Y doesn't. Even if Y has a good arm, child X has more experience and reps even in the 4th and 5th grade and will get the nod. It's kind of sad.

Also, around here at least, high schools are going to more and more complex spread type offenses. QBs are often groomed from about 7th grade in a system to get them ready for high school. The kid who gets the summer camps (around here, often run by the high school) is going to have an advantage on understanding and running the offense over kids who don't.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-24-2009, 08:46 AM

Well, clearly, white people are smarter.

I would love to leave it at that, but I am afraid it would be taken seriously.

I think we would all agree that black people are typically more athletic than the majority of white people. As such, the ones who play QB are often asked to run more of an option oriented attack, and at the very least, are encouraged to run when all else fails.

White QB's are encouraged to stand in the pocket and look downfield because they won't get very far running the ball.

But, when the NFL drafts a QB, they look for a guy who will stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield.

I also think that it starts young in pee wee football.... and coaches on that level have very little clue of what they are doing.... so they emulate the NFL teams, or the college teams.... and they try to do what they do. If they have a tall white kid that can throw the ball pretty good.... they feel like they have a QB.

It is an interesting discussion, but it is good to see more and more black QB's in the NFL.

**loochy** · 11-24-2009, 08:47 AM

I don't know. Why don't you ask Rush Limbaugh?

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-24-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DMAC

Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

Honestly... height, more than anything.

**loochy** · 11-24-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DMAC

Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

Good question - I bet they could instantly calculate the proper trajectory and speed of a fade to the back corner of the end zone.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-24-2009, 08:49 AM

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**Bwana** · 11-24-2009, 08:55 AM

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You'll probably need to wait until Mic comes here to explain it.

That's what I'm going to do.

Heh, when that happens, expect this thread to hit 200 plus.

CoMoChief · 11-24-2009, 08:57 AM

Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end.

tooge · 11-24-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

Good question - I bet they could instantly calculate the proper trajectory and speed of a fade to the back corner of the end zone.

And, according to Reggie White, they could take off their helmet, and rework the helmet speaker into a rocket football launcher.

InChiefsHeaven · 11-24-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Why?

I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

Maybe it's just not a position of interest. It's not flashy, although it's very important. I find it hard to believe that leg strength and accuracy are something that only white people have, so I'd guess it's just not a "sexy" thing to do. If you have athletic ability, then why be a kicker?

There are a lot of black soccer players, so it does seem weird that there are not more black kickers in any level of football. I've never seen one in PeeWee, High School or College, much less the pros.

InChiefsHeaven · 11-24-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Or have you seen any Black swimmers?

To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end.

That's a good point too. It seems there are just certain sports that black people for whatever reason seem to stay away from.

Demonpenz · 11-24-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DMAC

Why aren't there any Asian quarterbacks?

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11-24-2009, 06:48 AM
MikeMaslowski There's always next year. Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10009290	White is Right? I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position? Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc. or Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that. What do you think? Have another beer on me! Maz
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SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Well, clearly, white people are smarter. I would love to leave it at that, but I am afraid it would be taken seriously. I think we would all agree that black people are typically more athletic than the majority of white people. As such, the ones who play QB are often asked to run more of an option oriented attack, and at the very least, are encouraged to run when all else fails. White QB's are encouraged to stand in the pocket and look downfield because they won't get very far running the ball. But, when the NFL drafts a QB, they look for a guy who will stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield. I also think that it starts young in pee wee football.... and coaches on that level have very little clue of what they are doing.... so they emulate the NFL teams, or the college teams.... and they try to do what they do. If they have a tall white kid that can throw the ball pretty good.... they feel like they have a QB. It is an interesting discussion, but it is good to see more and more black QB's in the NFL.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Or have you seen any Black swimmers? To be honest in my life and what I've seen, I've never met a black person who can swim well. I used to have an in-ground pool in my backyard at my parent's house growing up and I would have our HS basketball team come over and party. None of the black guys would leave the shallow end.
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