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Old 12-09-2009, 03:11 PM  
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Brady has lost 5 with the same players Matt had...
just saying Matt haters need to get real. The team is awful not Matt.
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:10 PM   #76
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Matt is part of the team. The team has improved. Why hasn't Matt?

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Old 12-09-2009, 06:30 PM   #77
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Cassel proved to be servicable and reliable for one of the all time great offenses. He sat and studied behind one of the greatest QBs of all time for 3 years and then played in 1 and he is this crappy. Aaron Rodgers came out gun slinging after 3 years studying behind Brett Favre (also one of the great QBs of all time.) The difference is Rodgers puts up monster numbers. Cassel impresses us when he throws over 100 yds.
Sure, Cassel had an incredibly talented set of weapons... same can be said for Rodgers. Cassel in KC? Not so much...
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:49 PM   #78
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Sure, Cassel had an incredibly talented set of weapons... same can be said for Rodgers. Cassel in KC? Not so much...
Rodgers first year, they won 6 games. With Bills and Browns coming up, we could win 5 games. Not far off of 6. My point being is that Rodgers still put up good numbers. Even when the team was not that good. Plus he has proven to make his team better around him. Cassel drags his team to his level.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:27 PM   #79
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Wow... that's the craziest connection drawn around here in a long time.

I'm not 100% sure if they're the same team "player for player" that Matt had in 2008 compared to what Brady has in 2009, I'm sure their very close to being exact. But, McDaniels was the OC in 2008... that part has changed.
OH HELL NO! Nobody can get any credit there for coaching but Bill. That's the way it always is. The bottom line is Matt can play the position very well. His team is bad as all hell. He didn't just become shit with the Chiefs. The team is shit. not him. If the great Brady loses 6 or 7 with the same playersthen all Matt haters can eat crap All off season Moss and company were given the "We made Matt look good" title. He's a tough, smart QB and we need to build around him.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:29 PM   #80
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The bottom line is Matt can play the position very well.


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Old 12-09-2009, 07:30 PM   #81
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I guess you didn't read the sack stats. Brady was sacked 21 times the year before he went down, then Cassel came in and was sacked 47 times. This year Brady has been sacked 15 times. Cassel has made the o line look worse than it is.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:50 PM   #82
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I hadn't gotten to see that yet. That is awesome. Nothing else needs to be said. How do people try to argue against that?
I'm not as worried about him missing on that throw. What worries me is that this came during a half where it seemed pretty clear to me that Cassel gave up on his team.

He had some inaccuracy issues in New England. And he's had some all season. But in the first game against San Diego and the against Denver, Cassel looked like he didn't want to play.

I still think Cassel's capable of a lot more. And it's ****ing frustrating that the Chiefs decided that he didn't need a QBs coach this season. But at this point, you have to bring in a new QB next season to compete for a starting job.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:05 PM   #83
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Cassel has done nothing to merit the 2nd round pick and there isn't really any evidence he ever will. Cassel is not accurate and has a weak arm. What is there to like about his play?
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:38 AM   #84
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OH HELL NO! Nobody can get any credit there for coaching but Bill. That's the way it always is. The bottom line is Matt can play the position very well. His team is bad as all hell. He didn't just become shit with the Chiefs. The team is shit. not him. If the great Brady loses 6 or 7 with the same playersthen all Matt haters can eat crap All off season Moss and company were given the "We made Matt look good" title. He's a tough, smart QB and we need to build around him.
Really, so McDaniels gets no credit for their offense... interesting.

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Rodgers first year, they won 6 games. With Bills and Browns coming up, we could win 5 games. Not far off of 6. My point being is that Rodgers still put up good numbers. Even when the team was not that good. Plus he has proven to make his team better around him. Cassel drags his team to his level.
Ok, so you're still wanting to compare Cassel to Rodgers...

When I look at the 2009 Chiefs, I don't see anything that looks like a Greg Jennings, Donald Driver or Ryan Grant... players that Rodgers had in 2008 and now in 2009. Don't forget that this season, they also made the 3-4 switch and have improved defensively.
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The Patriots lost Josh McDaniels. If he was still there they would have won at least three more games. A lot of people are questioning the playcalling there since McDaniels left.
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I guess you didn't read the sack stats. Brady was sacked 21 times the year before he went down, then Cassel came in and was sacked 47 times. This year Brady has been sacked 15 times. Cassel has made the o line look worse than it is.
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Brady already has stats comparable to those Cassel put up last year and he has four more games to play!
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Cassel needs to grow by leaps and bounds and he isnt getting the personal attention that a qb coach would afford to help him learn from mistakes.

I still have hope, but it is dwindling...
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The Patriots lost Josh McDaniels. If he was still there they would have won at least three more games. A lot of people are questioning the playcalling there since McDaniels left.
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Brady already has stats comparable to those Cassel put up last year and he has four more games to play!
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Cassel needs to grow by leaps and bounds and he isnt getting the personal attention that a qb coach would afford to help him learn from mistakes.

I still have hope, but it is dwindling...
This was my fear when all the "trade talk" started and involved Cassel and Denver... I wasn't buying into it simply because his one year of greatness was with an offense that had Moss, Welker, etc.

There is a reason the guy was a backup for so long... I still think he has talent and that KC needs to upgrade the quality around him, but when I saw the contract he received... wow, that's a lot for a guy that has only one year of work (including college).
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The Patriots lost Josh McDaniels. If he was still there they would have won at least three more games. A lot of people are questioning the playcalling there since McDaniels left.
Enh, they're issues are not all on offense... they have taken a dip in the rankings defensively the last 2 seasons. I think it's kinda crazy to suggest they would have 10 wins if Josh were still there.
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Enh, they're issues are not all on offense... they have taken a dip in the rankings defensively the last 2 seasons. I think it's kinda crazy to suggest they would have 10 wins if Josh were still there.
I think they would have beaten Denver, Miami, and Indy with McDaniels.
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