Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**Slainte** · 12-14-2009, 11:26 AM

Pfffttttt.....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-14-2009, 11:29 AM

"You were expecting this team to win 12 games this year".

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 11:30 AM

I agree. They had a sub par off season. And that is being extremely nice. The biggest thing that stands out in my mind is the lack of help on the oline this year. The oline they knew had to be addressed not a stand pat wait and see thing. The defense i can see a little more because of the transition to see who could make it that way it was one less player to fix. But hardly anyone made a great transition so we are back to square one.

**jAZ** · 12-14-2009, 11:32 AM

I get the feeling that our roster moves this past season were heavily influenced by the pending uncapped year. In addition, we were all but told to expect less pure talent in exchange for higher football character.

Getting a roster filled with talented high football character players will take several seasons. That's been my expectation from the start.

That said, the one area I've been disappointed with was the lack of a timely priority on the OL.

Extra Point · 12-14-2009, 11:33 AM

I wasn't good at discus. How about the long or triple jump?

Pioli got a mediocre team, and overpaid for a key mediocre player. He let a head coach fire the OC and develop and call the plays. These are no excuses, only reasons for a substandard season.

The lack of communication between QB and receivers is one of the greatest problems, beside Cassel panicking in the pocket. The underused roll-out pass, bootleg option, and inside slant are some things that Haley hasn't implemented.

Clayton's article of last nite hit it pretty well on the nail: if at first you don't succeed, keep doing what you think will work, over, and over, and over. Play selection has been a key weakness in our offense.

Dayze · 12-14-2009, 11:36 AM

Pioli better hit the bricks as soon as FA begins (depending on the CBA existing/not existing etc).
I was willing to Give Pioli a 'pass' for 5 years or so...but, I'm changing my mind.

I have zero confidence in this franchise - top to bottom. Sh*t,...they can't even remodel a stadium right.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

I get the feeling that our roster moves this past season were heavily invluenced by the pending uncapped year. In addition, we were all but told to expect less pure talent in exchange for higher football character.

Getting a roster filled with talented high football character players will take several seasons. That's been my expectation from the start.

That said, the one area I've been disappointed with was the lack of a timely priority on the OL.

Here's the thing, jaz:

People say that the cupboard was bare when Pioli was hired.

In that case, it shouldn't have been too ****ing difficult to find some players that were better than what we had in 2008.

No one is saying they had to be Pro-Bowlers. Just some serviceable players that were upgrades over their 2008 predecessors.

It's not rocket science.

**The Franchise** · 12-14-2009, 11:39 AM

It's going to take a lot to make me happy this offseason. And yes I know that the Chiefs don't give two shits about how I feel or what I want....but I'd like to see 75% of this shit happen.

1. Fire Pendergast and bring in a competent 3-4 defensive coordinator.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator and let him call the plays.

3. Hire a QB coach and actually let him coach the QBs.

4. Bring in competition at the QB position. And I mean actual competition...not another QB that will get 10 reps throughout the offseason and then Cassel gets the job handed to him.

5. Draft a ****ing playmaker in the 1st round. I better not see a defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

6. Be active in Free Agency. I know that if it's uncapped that there won't be a lot (if any) good free agents out there. But if it is a capped year....then we better be filling ****ing holes this offseason.

Dayze · 12-14-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It's going to take a lot to make me happy this offseason. And yes I know that the Chiefs don't give two shits about how I feel or what I want....but I'd like to see 75% of this shit happen.

1. Fire Pendergast and bring in a competent 3-4 defensive coordinator.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator and let him call the plays.

3. Hire a QB coach and actually let him coach the QBs.

4. Bring in competition at the QB position. And I mean actual competition...not another QB that will get 10 reps throughout the offseason and then Cassel gets the job handed to him.

5. Draft a ****ing playmaker in the 1st round. I better not see a defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

6. Be active in Free Agency. I know that if it's uncapped that there won't be a lot (if any) good free agents out there. But if it is a capped year....then we better be filling ****ing holes this offseason.

I agree with every aspect of that post.

**The Franchise** · 12-14-2009, 11:42 AM

Oh....I forgot one more.

7. Mike Brown better not be on this team next year. That goes for Goff, Niswanger and Vrabel as well.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It's going to take a lot to make me happy this offseason. And yes I know that the Chiefs don't give two shits about how I feel or what I want....but I'd like to see 75% of this shit happen.

1. Fire Pendergast and bring in a competent 3-4 defensive coordinator.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator and let him call the plays.

3. Hire a QB coach and actually let him coach the QBs.

4. Bring in competition at the QB position. And I mean actual competition...not another QB that will get 10 reps throughout the offseason and then Cassel gets the job handed to him.

5. Draft a ****ing playmaker in the 1st round. I better not see a defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

6. Be active in Free Agency. I know that if it's uncapped that there won't be a lot (if any) good free agents out there. But if it is a capped year....then we better be filling ****ing holes this offseason.

Good post, Pest.

#6 is what makes the fail of this past offseason even harder to swallow. If there's an uncapped year, we have to be ****ing perfect in the draft, and we all know that's not going to happen.

We missed our chance, and we're going to pay for it if there's an uncapped year.

Mojo Jojo · 12-14-2009, 12:07 PM

I think the biggest disappointment is that the one thing Pioli had on his resume to be a GM was talent evaluation, and to this point that has been a fail. For all those who say he inherited a bad team...over 50% of the roster has turned over from last year. The only players, outside the PK, that are preforming are Carl picks and signings.

For those who say the O-line sucks...we knew it last year what did Scott miss??? WR's same thing. We drafted a player with the #3 pick that doesn't fit our system and the past 3 first round pick are now playing out of position.

I think the GM role is more than Pioli expected...he is no longer just the top scout. In fact that is just a small part of his new job.

burt · 12-14-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.
54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.]

Other than draft picks....the choices were nothing but left overs! Chambers, Wade.....etc. just left outs......

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Hand picked left overs and throw aways. Draft picks and Cassel were his ONLY hand picked players.

**HemiEd** · 12-14-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It's going to take a lot to make me happy this offseason. And yes I know that the Chiefs don't give two shits about how I feel or what I want....but I'd like to see 75% of this shit happen.

1. Fire Pendergast and bring in a competent 3-4 defensive coordinator.

2. Hire an offensive coordinator and let him call the plays.

3. Hire a QB coach and actually let him coach the QBs.

4. Bring in competition at the QB position. And I mean actual competition...not another QB that will get 10 reps throughout the offseason and then Cassel gets the job handed to him.

5. Draft a ****ing playmaker in the 1st round. I better not see a defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a top 5 pick.

6. Be active in Free Agency. I know that if it's uncapped that there won't be a lot (if any) good free agents out there. But if it is a capped year....then we better be filling ****ing holes this offseason.

I agree with all of this. This new management has already used up their allotment of mulligans.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-14-2009, 11:26 AM	#2
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12-14-2009, 11:30 AM	#4
tyler360 Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $-2252123	I agree. They had a sub par off season. And that is being extremely nice. The biggest thing that stands out in my mind is the lack of help on the oline this year. The oline they knew had to be addressed not a stand pat wait and see thing. The defense i can see a little more because of the transition to see who could make it that way it was one less player to fix. But hardly anyone made a great transition so we are back to square one.
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12-14-2009, 11:32 AM	#5
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9817493	I get the feeling that our roster moves this past season were heavily influenced by the pending uncapped year. In addition, we were all but told to expect less pure talent in exchange for higher football character. Getting a roster filled with talented high football character players will take several seasons. That's been my expectation from the start. That said, the one area I've been disappointed with was the lack of a timely priority on the OL.
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12-14-2009, 11:33 AM	#6
Extra Point MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Prairie Village, KS Casino cash: $10004900	I wasn't good at discus. How about the long or triple jump? Pioli got a mediocre team, and overpaid for a key mediocre player. He let a head coach fire the OC and develop and call the plays. These are no excuses, only reasons for a substandard season. The lack of communication between QB and receivers is one of the greatest problems, beside Cassel panicking in the pocket. The underused roll-out pass, bootleg option, and inside slant are some things that Haley hasn't implemented. Clayton's article of last nite hit it pretty well on the nail: if at first you don't succeed, keep doing what you think will work, over, and over, and over. Play selection has been a key weakness in our offense. __________________ "Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." --Satchel Paige
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12-14-2009, 11:36 AM	#7
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1699358	Pioli better hit the bricks as soon as FA begins (depending on the CBA existing/not existing etc). I was willing to Give Pioli a 'pass' for 5 years or so...but, I'm changing my mind. I have zero confidence in this franchise - top to bottom. Sht,...they can't even remodel a stadium right. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed:* Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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12-14-2009, 11:39 AM	#9
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	It's going to take a lot to make me happy this offseason. And yes I know that the Chiefs don't give two shits about how I feel or what I want....but I'd like to see 75% of this shit happen. 1. Fire Pendergast and bring in a competent 3-4 defensive coordinator. 2. Hire an offensive coordinator and let him call the plays. 3. Hire a QB coach and actually let him coach the QBs. 4. Bring in competition at the QB position. And I mean actual competition...not another QB that will get 10 reps throughout the offseason and then Cassel gets the job handed to him. 5. Draft a **ing playmaker in the 1st round. I better not see a defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a top 5 pick. 6. Be active in Free Agency. I know that if it's uncapped that there won't be a lot (if any) good free agents out there. But if it is a capped year....then we better be filling **ing holes this offseason.
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12-14-2009, 11:42 AM	#11
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Oh....I forgot one more. 7. Mike Brown better not be on this team next year. That goes for Goff, Niswanger and Vrabel as well.
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12-14-2009, 12:07 PM	#13
Mojo Jojo Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johnson County Casino cash: $10013802	I think the biggest disappointment is that the one thing Pioli had on his resume to be a GM was talent evaluation, and to this point that has been a fail. For all those who say he inherited a bad team...over 50% of the roster has turned over from last year. The only players, outside the PK, that are preforming are Carl picks and signings. For those who say the O-line sucks...we knew it last year what did Scott miss??? WR's same thing. We drafted a player with the #3 pick that doesn't fit our system and the past 3 first round pick are now playing out of position. I think the GM role is more than Pioli expected...he is no longer just the top scout. In fact that is just a small part of his new job.
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