Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation

[OnTheWarpath15]

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.



I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.



I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.



Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

[bigbucks24]

Next question for Dees, Dane, OTW and Goat (or anyone else that is arguing against Pioli)

In this situation, what should Clark do? Give him another year? Can him now? If Pioli is the problem, what is the solution?

[Hammock Parties]

I don't have a solution and I wouldn't fire him now. That would be stupid.

My only commentary on the situation at hand is that Pioli has failed this year and making excuses for him is lame. I'm completely willing to be patient but if we have a repeat of what happened this year it's gonna be obvious we're going to be in for a lonnnng five years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Next question for Dees, Dane, OTW and Goat (or anyone else that is arguing against Pioli)

In this situation, what should Clark do? Give him another year? Can him now? If Pioli is the problem, what is the solution?

From the inside information provided by BigRed, Pioli signed a five year guaranteed contract. I don't think that Clark Hunt will fire Pioli and throw away $20 million dollars.

I think that if we haven't seen a significant change in the Chiefs record by the end of year three, Pioli's job could be in jeopardy.

But not after year one.

And personally, I don't expect Clark Hunt to do or say anything.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Next question for Dees, Dane, OTW and Goat (or anyone else that is arguing against Pioli)

In this situation, what should Clark do? Give him another year? Can him now? If Pioli is the problem, what is the solution?

Short of some type of gross indiscretion that demands an immediate firing, there's nothing much to do right now.

Once Pioli was hired, he gets a minimum of 3 years, IMO. It's my hope, however, that Hunt would seriously evaluate his performance after year 3 and be willing, just willing, to make a move if necessary.

[Hammock Parties]

If Haley gets the axe and Pioli continues to sign the Bobby Engrams of the world bringing in a head coach and giving him more of the power would be a solution I guess, making him more of a figurehead, etc. That would require some major meddling by Clark, though. Don't know if he's the type to do that or if he would even want to step on Pioli's toes.

This is all only in the event Pioli continues to show he can't properly upgrade the roster. He deserves at LEAST one more season to do it "his way."

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If Haley gets the axe and Pioli continues to sign the Bobby Engrams of the world bringing in a head coach and giving him more of the power would be a solution I guess, making him more of a figurehead, etc. That would require some major meddling by Clark, though. Don't know if he's the type to do that or if he would even want to step on Pioli's toes.

This is all only in the event Pioli continues to show he can't properly upgrade the roster. He deserves at LEAST one more season to do it "his way."

If Haley gets fired, we're going to see the exact opposite brought in to be the HC.

A proven, vet winner. I'd expect The Chin.

Even the Executive of Yore cannot risk missing, again, this quickly.

[bigbucks24]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Short of some type of gross indiscretion that demands an immediate firing, there's nothing much to do right now.

Once Pioli was hired, he gets a minimum of 3 years, IMO. It's my hope, however, that Hunt would seriously evaluate his performance after year 3 and be willing, just willing, to make a move if necessary.

Do you give him 3 years no matter what? If the Chiefs have another 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 season and they don't seem to be building a core, do you pull the trigger then? I would think you have to show SOME kind of progress. Don't ya?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If Haley gets fired, we're going to see the exact opposite brought in to be the HC.

A proven, vet winner. I'd expect The Chin.

Even the Executive of Yore cannot risk missing, again, this quickly.

I mean a more powerful head coach, essentially cutting Pioli's nuts off and making HIM the figuredhead. But again, any such move would have to come from Hunt.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

Do you give him 3 years no matter what? If the Chiefs have another 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 season and they don't seem to be building a core, do you pull the trigger then? I would think you have to show SOME kind of progress. Don't ya?

Yes.

Because as bad as it is, and it is terrible, one can take a myopic view and argue that there has been substantial progress. After all, we've won 3 games. More than last year, right? Progress. Hell, we might double the win total. HUGE progress.

Of course, the more nuanced analysis shows the hilarity of that argument.

Now, if we go tits up next year, 0-16, then anything is possible. Anything else, and the dude gets the automatic 3.

Hell, I firmly believe Pioli would survive 0-16. The fumes from Brady are that powerful.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I mean a more powerful head coach, essentially cutting Pioli's nuts off and making HIM the figuredhead. But again, any such move would have to come from Hunt.

I think any vet guy, like The Chin, would fit that bill.

Those guys aren't going to a place where they have to ask permission.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think any vet guy, like The Chin, would fit that bill.

Those guys aren't going to a place where they have to ask permission.

That really makes me wonder if Pioli would want to work with such a head coach.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

That really makes me wonder if Pioli would want to work with such a head coach.

If he does, Whitlock will be furiously revising his "EGO" angle.

It's going to be the, "I seriously ****ed up and need to save my legacy as the Executive of a Lifetime" angle.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I mean a more powerful head coach, essentially cutting Pioli's nuts off and making HIM the figuredhead. But again, any such move would have to come from Hunt.

Making who the figurehead? Haley's been the public face of the team since the day he was hired. Pioli's barely visible.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Making who the figurehead? Haley's been the public face of the team since the day he was hired. Pioli's barely visible.

I'm talking about real power, not public perception.

Pioli has all the power at Arrowhead these days.

The Browns sort of did this this year when they hired Mangini before their GM. Mangini has all the power there, not the GM.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Making who the figurehead? Haley's been the public face of the team since the day he was hired. Pioli's barely visible.

If you looked very, very closely, you could see Pioli's arm extending up to Haley's ass after the Bills game as he worked the mechanisms to make Haley say, "First, I'd like to thank the fans..."