Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 13

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 12:12 PM

Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had. How these players would respond to new schemes and new work ethic. As far as the players that were brought in I think those guys were brought in to build the roster from the bottom up with a small hope of finding a diamond in the rough. So to look at that process as some kind of fail because the talent wasn't majorly overhauled is a little over the top IMO. I'm not down on Pioli for doing things his way. He should try to build this team the way he sees fit. We all arm chair evaluate some of his moves as good or bad and that's fine. But to not see what he's trying to do is the equivalent to burying ones head in the sand. Will Pioli's way get us what we want? I don't know but I can't blame him for the way he's started his rein in KC.

PhilFree

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Or why it took an injury to get Mike Goff off the field.

Or why brokedick Vrabel continues to start.

Or why it took a gay slur to get Charles on the field.

There is no answer for it, the truth is they thought the past regime was so bad they could coach these guys up get a few vets and win 8 games...that's all I need to know about their ability to evaluate talent.

Pioli made a bunch of Carl esq win 8 games type of moves and people are saying this is different, are they high?

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

There is no answer for it, the truth is they thought the past regime was so bad they could coach these guys up get a few vets and win 8 games...that's all I need to know about their ability to evaluate talent.

Pioli made a bunch of Carl esq win 8 games type of moves and people are saying this is different, are they high?

you dont know what the truth is. so why do you keep saying that shit

Fish · 12-16-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

you dont know what the truth is. so why do you keep saying that shit

Please educate us then Matlock...

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had.

I'm betting that Pioli had access to...the tape from last year's games.

This is an amazing thing.

Pioli did jack ****ing shit. He didn't improve the club in any single meaningful way, aside from the kicker. In fact, one can make a strong case that we're worse off now b/c of the asinine contract he gave to Cassel.

And many believe this approach was and is understandable.

Chiefnj2 · 12-16-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you're saying he couldn't do that, AND draft/sign some talented players?

It has to be one or the other?

Christ, there's 53 spots on an active roster. You're talking about a handful of players.

I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Please educate us then Matlock...

did i say that i knew the truth. no. but he keeps saying the same goddamn thing over and over and acts like because he said it then its right.

none of us know what the actual truth is.why keep making assumptions

oh and fish go fist yourself you asshole

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Please educate us then Matlock...

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:36 PM

Jason should tell us again that Matt Cassel was bad throwing the deep ball because Moss was dogging it, cause you know there is no other evidence that he completely blows at it.

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Jason should tell us again that Matt Cassel was bad throwing the deep ball because Moss was dogging it, cause you know there is no other evidence that he completely blows at it.

do you really want to go there this week? listen to the interviews after the pats last game. that should tell you ALL you need to know about moss...

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

i would expect you to chime in here, you are another one that thinks that because it crosses your mind it HAS GOT TO BE TRUE. dumbass

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:39 PM

Great, the play on the field should tell you all you need to know about Matt Cassel.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

Wha?

Niswanger?

McIntosh? (who was cut anyway)

Ron Edwards?

Bradley?

Please tell me your kidding with this line of bullshit excuses.

There's no reason why guys like Dorsey and Hali couldn't be evaluated while other talented players at other positions were brought in via the draft and FA.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:40 PM

If the people who are defending Pioli really believe what they are posting I feel very bad for the future of our franchise. You're basically defending him by saying hey give him a break he's kinda stupid.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 12:41 PM

What we know for a fact is that this past off-season was an impressive disaster, so we're pretty safe to make a few assumptions about how we reached this point.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 12:12 PM	#181
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2283802	Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had. How these players would respond to new schemes and new work ethic. As far as the players that were brought in I think those guys were brought in to build the roster from the bottom up with a small hope of finding a diamond in the rough. So to look at that process as some kind of fail because the talent wasn't majorly overhauled is a little over the top IMO. I'm not down on Pioli for doing things his way. He should try to build this team the way he sees fit. We all arm chair evaluate some of his moves as good or bad and that's fine. But to not see what he's trying to do is the equivalent to burying ones head in the sand. Will Pioli's way get us what we want? I don't know but I can't blame him for the way he's started his rein in KC. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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12-16-2009, 12:36 PM	#189
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Jason should tell us again that Matt Cassel was bad throwing the deep ball because Moss was dogging it, cause you know there is no other evidence that he completely blows at it.
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12-16-2009, 12:39 PM	#192
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Great, the play on the field should tell you all you need to know about Matt Cassel.
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12-16-2009, 12:40 PM	#194
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	If the people who are defending Pioli really believe what they are posting I feel very bad for the future of our franchise. You're basically defending him by saying hey give him a break he's kinda stupid.
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