Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 14

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What we know for a fact is that this past off-season was an impressive disaster, so we're pretty safe to make a few assumptions about how we reached this point.

The same offseason that if you questioned what they were doing while it was happening you were ripped a new one.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The same offseason that if you questioned what they were doing while it was happening you were ripped a new one.

"I think it's pretty clear that someone with Pioli's track record knows what he's doing. I trust him completely."

Oops.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had. How these players would respond to new schemes and new work ethic. As far as the players that were brought in I think those guys were brought in to build the roster from the bottom up with a small hope of finding a diamond in the rough. So to look at that process as some kind of fail because the talent wasn't majorly overhauled is a little over the top IMO. I'm not down on Pioli for doing things his way. He should try to build this team the way he sees fit. We all arm chair evaluate some of his moves as good or bad and that's fine. But to not see what he's trying to do is the equivalent to burying ones head in the sand. Will Pioli's way get us what we want? I don't know but I can't blame him for the way he's started his rein in KC.

PhilFree

This is what I've been saying for forever.
It blows my mind that everyone is so up in arms over a season like this one.
We picked a player in the first round that, on average, doesn't mature for a few seasons.
That, was one of the MANY indications, IMO, that this was going to be a season of learning, and evaluation.
I fully expect massive turnover this off-season.

I know. I'm a Pialeyite. I can't think for myself.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 12:52 PM

Pioli didn't "stand pat."

He turned over 65 percent of the roster.

FAIL

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

"Are you kidding?"

"Why the hell would they want to do that?"

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:53 PM

I thought you were leaving?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Pioli didn't "stand pat."

He turned over 65 percent of the roster.

FAIL

He had no access to game film. We had to play an entire season for him to decide if some our current players would fit in his system.

It was also part of "the process" for LJ to self destruct on Twitter, thus opening the door to the Chiefs MVP, Charles.

Succop, you're great, but you're a ****ing kicker. And I'm not crowning your ass, yet, like many have done with our punter, who is the most ridiculously overrated player in recent memory.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I thought you were leaving?

I did.

Now I'm back. Did you miss me?

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If it's an evaluation year quickly explain to me why Mike Brown keeps starting...why are young players on the bench?

You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 12:59 PM

Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

The GM gets a pass because the Owner doesn't want to spend money - yet we gave Zach Thomas $1M to ride a stationary bike for 3 weeks.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The GM gets a pass because the Owner doesn't want to spend money - yet we gave Zach Thomas $1M to ride a stationary bike for 3 weeks.

Basically what we've come to is he gets a 5 year pass because his name isn't Carl Peterson, no wonder he came here.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

I could have sworn everyone pretty much agreed on this before the season IIRC.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I see these vet leaders have really made a difference.

I think it has helped. It might not show up in the win column yet but it could payoff down the road.

There is no question we need a shitload more talent

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You act like the only day they evaluate players is on Sunday forgetting the other 5 days of the week. Morgan didn't sniff the field last year and it looks like he will gone at the end of this year.

As why they brought in some of these older players was because many "experts" on here and around the NFL stated that what Herm did was wrong putting all these young players on a team with little or no veteran leadership. Apparently they believed the same thing so they brought in some of these guys to show these young guys how to prepare, watch tape correctly, and how to do the day to day things correctly to be a better NFL player. I think the reason why some of the older guys are still playing is because the young guys still aren't cutting it.

Just my .02 cents.

Someone explain how Mike Brown is "cutting it."

Morgan, in limited action, was a clear upgrade.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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