Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 17

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"Tyler Thigpen should be the starting QB. He's earned that right." /Gonzo

Oh so now what players say doesn't mean anything or is stupid? Gotcha.

Maybe he was doing an impersonation of you by saying stupid stuff and then claim he was being sarcastic.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:25 PM

I don't care what other players say, if you haven't noticed over the years, players are ****in dumb when it comes to this.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know.

You also think that you can evaluate an entire defunct roster by "watching tape".

Yeah, that's what I said. Exactly.

Pioli had no access to seeing these guys in person. None. And game film isn't an important evaluation tool.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know.

You also think that you can evaluate an entire defunct roster by "watching tape".

You couldn't have done a worse job in your first year than Pioli has done and here we are with a defense being made, ponder that.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well hey Atlanta's GM is from NE, apparently he isn't as incompetent as Pioli as his first draft built a foundation and ours built a pile of shit.

But I guess I should believe that was purely blind luck with the shit I've seen posted in this thread right?

LOL.
His first draft landed him Matt Ryan.

That is the ONLY reason he looks like a damn Genius now.
If Ryan had fell to us, Peterson would be looking good right now.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 01:27 PM

I understand Pioli is batting a low percentage right now, but he walked into a crap pile and has a history of building a bad team into a good one and keeping it well stocked for a decade. I am willing to give him a little bigger leash than most, I guess. I hope that doesn't lead to me getting burned as it has in the past.

I have a question.

Who was he supposed to bring in via FA?

If you say Haynesworth or Jason Brown, you have failed.

100 million for AH? NO

having to go over 40 million for a 5 year deal (he signed for 37.5 million/5yrs in stl) for a center that was basically signed within minutes of the opening of free agency? Who has made NO IMPACT.

Canty? I would have liked to have signed him, but who says he would even have taken a call from KC when an offer was on the table from a team like the Giants? I would have topped the winning offer, but how much would we have had to overpay to get him? He signed with a contender for 6/42. If we show to overpay for need, what does that do to our own upcoming free agents?...that they can hold us over the coals and get paid? That isnt the message good teams send.

Igor? I would be willing to bet his opinion of even considering signing with us was laughable. A division rival that wont overpay and only won 2 games the previous year? Child, please. Also, lets say we pay him a moderate contract 4 years 20 million...then what do we do with Dorsey? Do we scrap him altogether? Play him at NT where he has less chance at success? Really...what to do?

I would have loved to have signed both Igor and Chris, but what chance does a 2-14 team have of signing a player that is desired by contending teams? WE WILL NOT OVER PAY FOR FREE AGENTS! EVER! IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE PATRIOT WAY. It is also the correct way of going about it. Good teams are not bought, they are bred.

This shit is gonna take time guys. Get a case of snickers and buckle up, its gonna be a wild ride!

Dont get me wrong, I am not condoning the current regimes actions at all, not taking multiple o linemen in this last draft is inexcusable, taking a corner before a olinemen or other need positions was foolish to say the least. Deciding not to overpay for two 5-tecs but taking one with a top 3 pick doesnt scream confidence at first, but give them time to fail before you declare them failures.

Id also like to add that Pioli brought in a bunch of FAs in 2001 NE and most of them are garbage names as well, but over time he showed he knew what he was doing.

Give these guys time.

But what do I know, I wanted Orakpo...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

These people are way too smart to have to go through all the things that he's talking about there. It's really simple. Pioli is just a Moron.

Wow, your insight is just invaluable around here

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Oh so now what players say doesn't mean anything or is stupid? Gotcha.

Maybe he was doing an impersonation of you by saying stupid stuff and then claim he was being sarcastic.

Pathetic.

It means something, but just not too much.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:27 PM

It also landed Sam Baker and Curtis Lofton who are better than anything Pioli acquired this year.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Uh how is saying Jason Brown a fail? He signed with the Rams he was going to the highest bidder, I guess the Chiefs have no money to spend eh?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Which 1st year GMs are you referring to?

Just curious.

How about Brian Xanders THIS YEAR?

Or Tom Dimitroff in Atlanta?

Need I go on?

Fish · 12-16-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You do realize that the vast majority of those players were not given long term contracts and are stop gaps for this season, right?

Stop gaps for what purpose? If we had shit for talent already, why would we need stopgaps for anything? If we have no foundation to speak of, and plenty of money, there is no reason for any stopgaps. There's no reason to wait. Start building already...

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How about Brian Xanders THIS YEAR?

Or Tom Dimitroff in Atlanta?

Need I go on?

That's obviously just blind luck according to the defenders.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

LOL.
His first draft landed him Matt Ryan.

That is the ONLY reason he looks like a damn Genius now.
If Ryan had fell to us, Peterson would be looking good right now.

WHAT?

How about signing Michael Turner, who led the NFL in rushing last year?

How about hiring a first time head coach, who led them to a winning record in his first season with a rookie QB?

How about trading up into the first round to grab LT Sam Baker?

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.

Why do people like you that don't know jackshit INSIST on acting as if they do?

Please explain.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:30 PM

Seriously Atlanta's 3rd pick of the draft was better than our first.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 01:25 PM	#242
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	I don't care what other players say, if you haven't noticed over the years, players are ****in dumb when it comes to this.
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12-16-2009, 01:27 PM	#246
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1815912	I understand Pioli is batting a low percentage right now, but he walked into a crap pile and has a history of building a bad team into a good one and keeping it well stocked for a decade. I am willing to give him a little bigger leash than most, I guess. I hope that doesn't lead to me getting burned as it has in the past. I have a question. Who was he supposed to bring in via FA? If you say Haynesworth or Jason Brown, you have failed. 100 million for AH? NO having to go over 40 million for a 5 year deal (he signed for 37.5 million/5yrs in stl) for a center that was basically signed within minutes of the opening of free agency? Who has made NO IMPACT. Canty? I would have liked to have signed him, but who says he would even have taken a call from KC when an offer was on the table from a team like the Giants? I would have topped the winning offer, but how much would we have had to overpay to get him? He signed with a contender for 6/42. If we show to overpay for need, what does that do to our own upcoming free agents?...that they can hold us over the coals and get paid? That isnt the message good teams send. Igor? I would be willing to bet his opinion of even considering signing with us was laughable. A division rival that wont overpay and only won 2 games the previous year? Child, please. Also, lets say we pay him a moderate contract 4 years 20 million...then what do we do with Dorsey? Do we scrap him altogether? Play him at NT where he has less chance at success? Really...what to do? I would have loved to have signed both Igor and Chris, but what chance does a 2-14 team have of signing a player that is desired by contending teams? WE WILL NOT OVER PAY FOR FREE AGENTS! EVER! IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE PATRIOT WAY. It is also the correct way of going about it. Good teams are not bought, they are bred. This shit is gonna take time guys. Get a case of snickers and buckle up, its gonna be a wild ride! Dont get me wrong, I am not condoning the current regimes actions at all, not taking multiple o linemen in this last draft is inexcusable, taking a corner before a olinemen or other need positions was foolish to say the least. Deciding not to overpay for two 5-tecs but taking one with a top 3 pick doesnt scream confidence at first, but give them time to fail before you declare them failures. Id also like to add that Pioli brought in a bunch of FAs in 2001 NE and most of them are garbage names as well, but over time he showed he knew what he was doing. Give these guys time. But what do I know, I wanted Orakpo... __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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12-16-2009, 01:27 PM	#249
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	It also landed Sam Baker and Curtis Lofton who are better than anything Pioli acquired this year.
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12-16-2009, 01:28 PM	#250
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	Uh how is saying Jason Brown a fail? He signed with the Rams he was going to the highest bidder, I guess the Chiefs have no money to spend eh?
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12-16-2009, 01:30 PM	#255
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	Seriously Atlanta's 3rd pick of the draft was better than our first.
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