Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 21

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

I think it is a generation thing. It's an instant reward type world some grew up in. If you can line up a bunch of digital shit on a video game you should be able to do the same in the real world.

Because all the posters who have raised serious questions about Pioli (and Haley) are kids or of the "younger generation"?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Pioli saw all the close games last year thought if I bring in my QB and switch to the 3-4 we could win games.

I think it's funny to realize his QB is basically Tyler Thigpen's older brother.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Those are actually pretty legit questions that put this in perspective...

People might respond with, "The team plays hard for Haley. Solid effort."

Great, they did the same thing for Herm, too.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would Herm have won 3 games this season?

Have we won because of Haley? Or in spite of him?

No we would have been 0-13 with Herm.

I think your second question is very fair. I think Haley\Pendergast has screwed up a couple of games that we should have won. Raiders and Cowboys at home are 2 that come to mind.

tooge · 12-16-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't know how anyone could watch these games and say we upgraded coach, Haley makes Herm look like a game management God.

Man, you guys are good at dodging questions. Sooooo, would you have signed Canty, Haynesworth, or Brown, or all three? Do you think that would have translated into more than 6 wins?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

No we would have been 0-13 with Herm.

I think you second question is very fair. I think Haley\Pendergast has screwed up a couple of games that we should have won. Raiders and Cowboys at home are 2 that come to mind.

And I think you are high. Haley has been far away the worst coach in the league this year.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

No we would have been 0-13 with Herm.

I think your second question is very fair. I think Haley\Pendergast has screwed up a couple of games that we should have won. Raiders and Cowboys at home are 2 that come to mind.

Herm ball would have beat the Raiders at home.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Man, you guys are good at dodging questions. Sooooo, would you have signed Canty, Haynesworth, or Brown, or all three? Do you think that would have translated into more than 6 wins?

Who said you had to sign all 3 of them?

I was just simply asking for SOMETHING, add a foundation piece, we got none. This would be like going man I'm building a house lets get that foundation laid down...then a year later after you put down a cardboard box going..hrm still no foundation I see.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I don't have time to read through the thread right now, and I don't know exactly what you are referring to.

Of course you don't. Is that your new excuse? You've used it twice this week alone.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Which 1st year GMs are you referring to?

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How about Brian Xanders THIS YEAR?

Or Tom Dimitroff in Atlanta?

Need I go on?

You never responded.

Then THIS gem:

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

LOL.
His first draft landed him Matt Ryan.

That is the ONLY reason he looks like a damn Genius now.
If Ryan had fell to us, Peterson would be looking good right now.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

WHAT?

How about signing Michael Turner, who led the NFL in rushing last year?

How about hiring a first time head coach, who led them to a winning record in his first season with a rookie QB?

How about trading up into the first round to grab LT Sam Baker?

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.

Why do people like you that don't know jackshit INSIST on acting as if they do?

Please explain.

No response on either.

But I get it: You're just too busy.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm ball would have beat the Raiders at home.

Herm ball also didn't get completely destroyed by the Chargers either, I do not like Herm at all so this should tell you what Haley's coaching skill is.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 02:00 PM

All offseason, the mantra was "We'll win more games just by coaching alone."

I haven't seen a shit bit of that so far.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster

I think it is a generation thing. It's an instant reward type world some grew up in. If you can line up a bunch of digital shit on a video game you should be able to do the same in the real world.

Yep that is why I give Carl credit for saying a few years ago Chief fans don't have enough patience for a rebuild which is true.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think it's a legitimate question, don't you?

What has Pioli done well? That's not fair?

Got rid of LJ.
I believe they will double last years wins.
Secured the kicker position
Picked up Chambers. (yes, he's better than anyone we had, and will contribute.)

That's not much, but I believe the big work happens this off-season. The only FULL off-season they've had.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep that is why I give Carl credit for saying a few years ago Chief fans don't have enough patience for a rebuild which is true.

Yep.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:02 PM

Dude no one is bitching about the record, stop trying to spin it into something it's not.

We're bitching that he's done nothing to find foundation players. Our fan base isn't impatient it's just loaded with dipshits who don't even understand simple points.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 02:00 PM	#311
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1531081	All offseason, the mantra was "We'll win more games just by coaching alone." I haven't seen a shit bit of that so far. __________________
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12-16-2009, 02:02 PM	#315
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	Dude no one is bitching about the record, stop trying to spin it into something it's not. We're bitching that he's done nothing to find foundation players. Our fan base isn't impatient it's just loaded with dipshits who don't even understand simple points.
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