Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 23

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Without Matt Ryan it doesn't mean shit.

That's what 1st round picks are for...

Now can you say the same about Tyson Jackson? Even close?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

And yet he still outcoached Herm

I disagree with that, Haleys dipshit 4th down calls alone make him worse.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:08 PM

And for the video game comment earlier, we should all be thrilled things like madden exist because that realm is the only place we'll likely ever see the Chiefs win anything.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

He didn't do it last year what makes you think he would have done it this year?

Because an ultra-conservative game plan would have beaten Oak.

****, it wouldn't have taken much. Oakland did everything short of hand us the win.

Deberg_1990 · 12-16-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The worst part is there's no progress if anything they've gotten worse, especially Cassel.

Exactly what scares me. I didnt expect alot of wins, but did expect player progression.

IM thinking if Haley doesnt win another game, he might be done. Definately on very thin ice at the beginning of next season.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:10 PM

The idea that we're better just because Carl and Herm are gone is bunk, they sucked but that doesn't mean these guys don't suck just as much or more.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:11 PM

Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Dude no one is bitching about the record, stop trying to spin it into something it's not.

We're bitching that he's done nothing to find foundation players. Our fan base isn't impatient it's just loaded with dipshits who don't even understand simple points.

I think someone needs to qualify what a foundation player is? Wouldn't Jackson be considered a foundation player? Yeah I know we'd like to have gotten more of an impact type of player drafting where we did but there really wasn't one there for us. Orkapo I guess but he was from Texas. Not sexy but Jackson is a piece of the foundation.

PhilFree

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.

No I don't we used our first 2 draft picks on complimentary players. And to top that off Jackson has done nothing while Magee plays roughly 10 snaps a game.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I think someone needs to qualify what a foundation player is? Wouldn't Jackson be considered a foundation player? Yeah I know we'd like to have gotten more of an impact type of player drafting where we did but there really wasn't one there for us. Orkapo I guess but he was from Texas. Not sexy but Jackson is a piece of the foundation.

PhilFree

If Jackson is your foundation then we are building a trailer.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I disagree with that, Haleys dipshit 4th down calls alone make him worse.

He won more games that Herm did with supposedly alot shittier roster.

SDChiefs · 12-16-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

He was successful in duping us into paying him 20MM to sit back and wait and be patient with no immediate progress. He was also successful in geting his boy toy Matt Cassel 63MM knowing that he sucks the penis.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

He won more games that Herm did with supposedly alot shittier roster.

LOL the only players on this team that are any good are Herms players, all of Pioli's moves have sucked nuts.

If Haley would stop trying to call a game like he's playing Madden 10 we might have a couple more wins.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No I don't we used our first 2 draft picks on complimentary players. And to top that off Jackson has done nothing while Magee plays roughly 10 snaps a game.

So a complimentry position player isn't part of the foundation. I would think those guys are where the foundation was built.

PhilFree

Chief Faithful · 12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think it's a legitimate question, don't you?

What has Pioli done well? That's not fair?

I'm not questioning the legitimacy of the question I'm questioning why a person would give you the ammunition you plan to use to shoot them.

You can count me as one who likes 80% of what Pioli and Haley have done, but for the sake of peace on the planet I will only share with you what I specifically don't like.

I don't like Pendergast and I don't like Haley serving as the QB coach and OC (although I do see a silver lining as Haley is becoming intimately familiar with his offensive talent). Cassel and Vrabel was a good use of the 2nd pick, but I don't like how Cassel was given the big contract and handed the job before proving himself in KC. I wish Pioli had done more to address the OL in the draft and free agency although he has done well since the season started. Pollard should not have been released instead given the Bowe and DJ treatment and I don't like Dwayne Wade or Quinten Lawrence.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 02:08 PM	#333
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	And for the video game comment earlier, we should all be thrilled things like madden exist because that realm is the only place we'll likely ever see the Chiefs win anything.
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12-16-2009, 02:10 PM	#336
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	The idea that we're better just because Carl and Herm are gone is bunk, they sucked but that doesn't mean these guys don't suck just as much or more.
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12-16-2009, 02:11 PM	#337
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $74644	Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.
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