Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 27

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Well, I am guessing you wont be talking about the FAIL of '09 if he makes a free agent splash or two, lands a known 3-4 defensive coordinator, brings in a QB coach and offensive coordinator, and has a nice draft, then we are sitting with 7 or 8 wins this time next year. My point being that maybe, just maybe, he knows more about football than you or I and maybe, just maybe you will realize that this wasn't the FAIL you thought it was. On the other hand, I could be the one realizing just the opposite. I'm banking he knows more than us.

So, if he does all those things, all is forgiven?

Personally, I'd be asking, "why didn't that happen LAST year?"

A wasted year is a wasted year, regardless of what happens in the future.

What we all expected to be at least a 2-3 year rebuild has just turned to a 3-4 year because we've done nothing but spin our wheels in Year One.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Sorry.

Here is an interesting article about 3-4 DE's.

http://www.nfltouchdown.com/nfls-newest-trend-3-4-des/
NFL’s Newest Trend: 3-4 DE’s

That is a good article. And I don't deny that with many more teams converting to the 3-4, the 3-4 DE is becoming more important. But the article itself says the Jackson pick was "curious". And that they thought perhaps Hali and Dorsey could have filled that role. And it pains me that they compare Dorsey to Seymour instead of Jackson.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course you don't. Is that your new excuse? You've used it twice this week alone.

You never responded.

Then THIS gem:

I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

But I get it: You're just too busy.

I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

We ALL though that Denver was going to CRASH and BURN.

Uh, NO.

I stated throughout the offseason in several threads that I thought that Denver would at LEAST be 8-8.

Denver is loaded with youthful talent but in addition to that, they signed the largest amount of free-agents in 2009. It definitely worked out for them (AND they have Chicago's pick this draft).

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Which goes to show that all this hindsight 20-20 crap about all the ****-ups

Again, more HORSESHIT.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

that that were made this off-season are so redamndiculous.
Everybody bitches about the TJ pick.
I don't have that big of a problem with it. I think he's gonna be a BAD ASS.

Based on what, exactly? What have YOU seen that makes you think that Tyson Jackson, a TWO-DOWN player, is going to be a quote "Bad Ass".

Please share.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And if that's the case, it's better to have a bad-ass 5 tech, than a bust QB like Sanchez is gonna be.

Gonna be? What does this mean "gonna be"? He's had a few rough games this season, no doubt. But he's picked himself up and fought through it. There's no doubt he'll be a better QB next year than this year, which is the point.

Furthermore, throw Sanchez out of the equation: How about Michael Oher? Percy Harvin? Vontae Davis? Knowshon Moreno? Jeremy Maclin?

Don't you think that ANY or all of these guys would have had an IMMEDIATE and SUBSTANTIAL impact with the third pick overall and if so, why did the genius Pioli not see that?

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

That's my point.
Everbody makes this huge deal about positional value, and they are right, but there just wasn't shit up there. Orakpo looks like a beast next to Henderson, Sure, would he look like that here? I doubt it, but I would have had no problem with, that pick either.
Pioli came out before the season and said that they were going to evaluate this roster first. It was as plain as day that, that's what they were going to do.

You're fool if you believe this. First off, Pioli has 45 of his own guys on this roster, whether it's IR, the practice squad or the final 53. If he needs a year to evaluate the players he brought in ON THE FIELD, he's a ****ing dumbass of epic proportions.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

No, there wasn't a Matt Ryan. However, there was a Mark Sanchez, a B.J. Raji, a Clay Matthews, a Brian Cushing, a Percy Harvin, a Eugene Monroe, etc. available. All of which have become foundational players.

lol.

I'm sure you would have been thrilled to see us take Brian cushing at three

Sanchez=bust IMO
Monroe=debateable

Percy Harvin at 3!!!!??????

Clay Mathews!!!?????
AT THREE!!!!???

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Sanchez=bust IMO

How can you call Sanchez a bust when you sit here and say we all need to have patience with the shit in Kansas City?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

Oh, this is just complete and utter ****ing BULLSHIT.

Atlanta was 3-13 the year prior. Denver was 8-8, traded their QB and had issues with Marshall AND a poor defense.

You look more foolish with each and every post.

I thought you were leaving forever because of the "hate farm" around here?

WTF happened?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

lol.

I'm sure you would have been thrilled to see us take Brian cushing at three

Sanchez=bust IMO
Monroe=debateable

Percy Harvin at 3!!!!??????

Clay Mathews!!!?????
AT THREE!!!!???

You're ****ing dumb.

Plain and simple.

Smokin' crack again?

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, NO.

I stated throughout the offseason in several threads that I thought that Denver would at LEAST be 8-8.

Denver is loaded with youthful talent but in addition to that, they signed the largest amount of free-agents in 2009. It definitely worked out for them (AND they have Chicago's pick this draft).

Again, more HORSESHIT.

Based on what, exactly? What have YOU seen that makes you think that Tyson Jackson, a TWO-DOWN player, is going to be a quote "Bad Ass".

Please share.

Gonna be? What does this mean "gonna be"? He's had a few rough games this season, no doubt. But he's picked himself up and fought through it. There's no doubt he'll be a better QB next year than this year, which is the point.

Furthermore, throw Sanchez out of the equation: How about Michael Oher? Percy Harvin? Vontae Davis? Knowshon Moreno? Jeremy Maclin?

Don't you think that ANY or all of these guys would have had an IMMEDIATE and SUBSTANTIAL impact with the third pick overall and if so, why did the genius Pioli not see that?

You're fool if you believe this. First off, Pioli has 45 of his own guys on this roster, whether it's IR, the practice squad or the final 53. If he needs a year to evaluate the players he brought in ON THE FIELD, he's a ****ing dumbass of epic proportions.

Ahh.
And exactly the reaction I expected. That was easy.

ALL of this hate stems from the Sanchez love afair you have, and how bitter you have been since we passed on him, and got Cassel.

Pull his balls out of your mouth. He's going to amount to JACK.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

How can you call Sanchez a bust when you sit here and say we all need to have patience with the shit in Kansas City?

5th year vets deserve more patience than rookies.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're ****ing dumb.

Plain and simple.

Smokin' crack again?

Obviously because of what I said about Sanchez.

This place along with you would have lost their ****in mind if we would have taken any of those guys with the #3 overall.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

5th year vets deserve more patience than rookies.

I've got no love for Cassel.
I think He'll make a great back up to whomever we get.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, this is just complete and utter ****ing BULLSHIT.

Atlanta was 3-13 the year prior. Denver was 8-8, traded their QB and had issues with Marshall AND a poor defense.

You look more foolish with each and every post.

I thought you were leaving forever because of the "hate farm" around here?

WTF happened?

I just can't get enough of watching you lose your cool.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Obviously because of what I said about Sanchez.

This place along with you would have lost their ****in mind if we would have taken any of those guys with the #3 overall.

Possibly.

And we'd probably be eating crow right now, happy we acquired a playmaker with the 3rd overall pick instead of a goddamn complimentary player.

tooge · 12-16-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, if he does all those things, all is forgiven?

Personally, I'd be asking, "why didn't that happen LAST year?"

A wasted year is a wasted year, regardless of what happens in the future.

What we all expected to be at least a 2-3 year rebuild has just turned to a 3-4 year because we've done nothing but spin our wheels in Year One.

Have you ever heard the phrase "dont look a gift horse in the mouth?" You are killin me here. If Pioli does all those things and we are looking at a possible playoff chase, you should somply be happy we are headed in the right direction and realizing that maybe he knew what he was doing the year before by evaluating what he had. I guess we aren't gonna agree on this one. I hope I am right, or, I hope Pioli is right.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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