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Boyceofsummer · 12-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley

by Matt Conner

Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.

My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season.

It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch.

More after the jump:

Star-divide
Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach.

Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold.

We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic

Once Pioli was hired, there was no way that Shanahan, Cowher, or Holmgren would come here. They would want more control of personnel decisions.

What? Pioli came from the land that the coach gets the final decision on personnel decisions. If Scott knew how to be a GM he would let the coach have a lot of input...it's the only way the system works. Yes, some of those guys want complete control, but Holmgren already had his personnel duties stripped away in Seattle...Shanahan has worked well with others (except Al Davis) but that is to his advantage.

KCrockaholic · 12-17-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So how much longer are you guys willing to give Haley?

What if next years team starts off 0-4, 0-5 or 0-6??

If we start off 0-4 or worse, he will really be pressing. I still like Haley, a lot. At some point, once we get the talent I think he will be a very good coach.

But if he starts 0-4 and it continues to get worse, I dont think I would be able to give him anymore time. Unless a dramatic change happened towards the end of the season I would have to be calling for him to be fired. With that said, I could easily see him going off to another team at some point and being successful with the right group of guys.

KCDC · 12-17-2009, 02:16 PM

Haley has upside. Herm did not. That's what keeps me going in a comparison.

KCrockaholic · 12-17-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC

Haley has upside. Herm did not. That's what keeps me going in a comparison.

I guess that is kind of how I feel about him too. We can't forget, this is Haleys 1st year ever of being a head coach/ qb coach/ offensive coordinator.

Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2009, 02:20 PM

I just dont see it guys. I could if the team showed improvement somewhere...anywhere.....

They turned over half the roster and its still crap.

If he doesnt win another game, i think hes toast.

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC

Haley has upside. Herm did not. That's what keeps me going in a comparison.

What upside? No track record as a head coach before KC and this year hasn't helped his resume. Herm at least won playoff games as a head coach...only Marty and Hank can make that claim in KC....Marty took a 4 win team to within 1/2 a game of the playoffs his first year...Herm made the the palyoffs in KC his first year. Todd may win 4 games.

CaliforniaChief · 12-17-2009, 02:32 PM

The team that Herm took to the playoffs was better/more established than this crew.

They had a RB in his prime, a veteran QB, a Hall of Fame Tight End, a better offensive line, Jared Allen, more experience, etc.

I'm willing to give Haley some time. But if he doesn't finish well, you're going to see a sweep of assistants. You might see that anyways.

Fish · 12-17-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

What upside? No track record as a head coach before KC and this year hasn't helped his resume. Herm at least won playoff games as a head coach...only Marty and Hank can make that claim in KC....Marty took a 4 win team to within 1/2 a game of the playoffs his first year...Herm made the the palyoffs in KC his first year. Todd may win 4 games.

Haley isn't Herm. Nothing else matters. Haley could lose the next 30 games in a row, and some would still be saying "Boy that Herm fella, whooo what a joke he was. Glad we don't have to put up with him anymore."

SDChiefs · 12-17-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

So only 13 Head coaches have ever inherited teams this bad in the last 40 years. LOL.

13 Rookie Head Coaches.

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 02:47 PM

Pioli just said on the radio....we are in the top three with dropped passes...along with Detroit and Cleveland. Really the GM is now saying his players and his coaches are on par with Cleveland and Detroit. Go KC!!!!

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 02:50 PM

Pioli just said he will not require Todd to hire an OC next season, but they need to talk about it.

CaliforniaChief · 12-17-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Pioli just said he will not require Todd to hire an OC next season, but they need to talk about it.

Thanks for the info...what station is he on?

Ralphy Boy · 12-17-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Never experienced?

Do you really think that this abortion of a football team and coaching staff is better than last year's team and coaching?

Really?

Last year's team would have kicked the living shit out of this year's team.

Hands down.

Last years team would have made a prison b!tch out of this years team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle

The problem is going to be assistant coach turnover. The raiding if the big names get jobs could be massive.

Nothing to worry about with that happening here.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Shanahan or Gruden would be okay....

Coward and Holmgren?

OH HELL NO!!!!

But Haley isnt going anywhere, IF a coach like Herm can take a team to depths never experienced in KC and stay 3 years... (shit there are some posters that wanted him to stay).... Then Haley should get at least 3 years...

Screw that I'd take Holmgren over any of them, not that any are bad. Holmgren made his QB's and built programs and coaching staffs from the ground up. None of the others did that, he took two teams that were horrible before he arrived, to the Superbowl.

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Just to be another one to disagree, and to be a pain in the ass...
If the 08 Chiefs played the 09 Chiefs ...it would come down to coaching. As much as this hurts...Herm wins over Todd. Herm had respect of his players...Todd not so much, and one game Herm is the kind of coach that may make that happen. Herm kept his teams close...Todd's team gives up.

Herm also had respect from other coaches. How much respect did Haley lose/earn from other coaches by cutting Chan right before the season started?

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Thanks for the info...what station is he on?

810 WHB... KK has his nose up Scott's ass and is trying his best to get Scott to blame things on Carl. At times this has been funny and you can hear steeping away from questions and not being led on KK.

Fish · 12-17-2009, 02:59 PM

Damn I really hate Keitzman. Every word out of his mouth makes me want to punch him in the face. He is so pompous. I'm glad he makes himself look like an ass often enough that it balances out the pain of listening to him.

12-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Boyceofsummer That Doyle, he's a mean-un Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Salina, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley http://fwix.com/share/55_c6b76c6022 Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley by Matt Conner Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite. My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season. It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch. More after the jump: Star-divide Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach. Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold. We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.
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12-17-2009, 02:16 PM	#33
KCDC Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9616110	Haley has upside. Herm did not. That's what keeps me going in a comparison.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $94454	I just dont see it guys. I could if the team showed improvement somewhere...anywhere..... They turned over half the roster and its still crap. If he doesnt win another game, i think hes toast.
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CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10525899	The team that Herm took to the playoffs was better/more established than this crew. They had a RB in his prime, a veteran QB, a Hall of Fame Tight End, a better offensive line, Jared Allen, more experience, etc. I'm willing to give Haley some time. But if he doesn't finish well, you're going to see a sweep of assistants. You might see that anyways.
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Mojo Jojo Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johnson County Casino cash: $10013802	Pioli just said on the radio....we are in the top three with dropped passes...along with Detroit and Cleveland. Really the GM is now saying his players and his coaches are on par with Cleveland and Detroit. Go KC!!!!
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12-17-2009, 02:50 PM	#41
Mojo Jojo Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johnson County Casino cash: $10013802	Pioli just said he will not require Todd to hire an OC next season, but they need to talk about it.
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