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Boyceofsummer · 12-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley

by Matt Conner

Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.

My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season.

It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch.

More after the jump:

Star-divide
Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach.

Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold.

We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-17-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So you're pissed cause a bunch of 1st year guys made bad decisions?

I didn't realize this was their first year as employees in the NFL...

Well shit; it all makes sense now!

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

The problem I had with Pioli and the draft was not Albert or drafting Jackson. It was sitting on Niswanger, Waters, Goff and ? at RT and expecting something to come of it.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I didn't realize this was their first year as employees in the NFL...

Well shit; it all makes sense now!

Yes, cause they are the only people in the world who had a rough start when they were promoted.

RedThat · 12-17-2009, 07:07 PM

I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way.

You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it.

At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 07:07 PM

His play-calling hasn't been bad. There's been a few times, when he should have been more conservative, but proper execution of the plays and he looks like a genius. In fact, just last year, he was a so-called genius and well on his way to coordinating a Super Bowl offense.

I don't subscribe to the offensive play-calling being terrible.

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I know that your hatred for Herm runs deep but JFC, did Herm EVER do something as stupid as punting from his OWN 20?

Haley gets the Dumbass Coach of the Decade for that shit.

I think you mean, going for it on 4th down from his own 28, correct?

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way.

You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it.

At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.

There is truth in that. If the QB hits some wide open receviers, the score doesn't give Haley a notion to even go for fake punts and such.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 12-17-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Let me re-phrase that...

Only a ****ing moron goes for it on 4th and 1 from their own 29 when they have the lead against Peyton Manning.

Only a ****ing idiot would chance giving Mannig a 29 yard field to win the game.

I understand the call completely, you put the game into your Future Hall of Fame QB's hands instead of the Colt's Future Hall of Fame QB's hands. Peyton is VERY good at those game winning drives and the Pats defense isn't a great unit, so BB decided to go Brady vs. Colts D instead of Manning vs. Pats D.

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

I understand the call completely, you put the game into your Future Hall of Fame QB's hands instead of the Colt's Future Hall of Fame QB's hands. Peyton is VERY good at those game winning drives and the Pats defense isn't a great unit, so BB decided to go Brady vs. Colts D instead of Manning vs. Pats D.

Sorry, it was a stupid call. I don't care who my QB is. If I have the lead and there is 2 min to go in the game I am making the field as long as I can for Manning.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The problem I had with Pioli and the draft was not Albert or drafting Jackson. It was sitting on Niswanger, Waters, Goff and ? at RT and expecting something to come of it.

In his defense, he brought in Alleman, Ndukwe, Goff, Colin Brown, and O'Callaghan.

I believe Pioli knew/knows that there was a problem with the O-line. I think this past off-season they were willing to try low-cost alternatives to see if anybody could pan out.
Most of the moves for the O-line haven't been any better than what we already had, but quietly, Pioli brought in a RT, that has done a better than average job, in O'Callaghan.

I view this year as try-outs for the team.

Dottefan · 12-17-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Never experienced?

Do you really think that this abortion of a football team and coaching staff is better than last year's team and coaching?

Really?

Last year's team would have kicked the living shit out of this year's team.

Hands down.

This

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

In his defense, he brought in Alleman, Ndukwe, Goff, Colin Brown, and O'Callaghan.

I believe Pioli knew/knows that there was a problem with the O-line. I think this past off-season they were willing to try low-cost alternatives to see if anybody could pan out.
Most of the moves for the O-line haven't been any better than what we already had, but quietly, Pioli brought in a RT, that has done a better than average job, in O'Callaghan.

I view this year as try-outs for the team.

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I think this past off-season they were willing to try low-cost alternatives to see if anybody could pan out.

That is my problem with it. This was the time to draft.

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

That is my problem with it. This was the time to draft.

I agree, I would have liked to have seen more than one pick on O-line, as well, but it is what is. I will say this though, I like this year's 2nd day day O-line prospects better than last year's 2nd day prospects.

I believe we address O-line on the first day this year, as well as a 2nd day pick or two, depending on FA, trades, etc...

Remember, we have 8 picks, all in the top 5 rounds in the upcoming draft. That gives us a chance to add some players that could really improve our roster and add some players with some upside.

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Sorry, it was a stupid call. I don't care who my QB is. If I have the lead and there is 2 min to go in the game I am making the field as long as I can for Manning.

Didnt Herm at Indy in the regular season punt to Manning when Croyle and the offense was moving the ball all day.... Herm never saw the ball again...

Hog's Gone Fishin · 12-17-2009, 07:48 PM

One wild card that wasn't mentioned is that thers never been a coach that has cussed and demeaned his players like Haley. I say superbowl in 2010 !

12-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Boyceofsummer That Doyle, he's a mean-un Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Salina, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley http://fwix.com/share/55_c6b76c6022 Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley by Matt Conner Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite. My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season. It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch. More after the jump: Star-divide Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach. Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold. We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I'd like to think of things in a simplistic way. You give any coach or gm this team and I guarantee you they're going to have their share of struggles. This was a mess to begin with and everyone knew it. At this point, Id rather place my focus on whats most important, and that is getting some good football players rather then judging the coach. Now I don't agree with a lot of decisions Haley has made or how hes managed football games, but the core of things really boils down to the players. Chiefs don't have enough good players, and at the end of the day it really doesn't matter who the coach is? its the players who win the games and not the coaches. And imo it shows in their play from lack of fundamentals and inability to execute. Those two things kill this team each and every time they step on the football field.
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Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1559523	One wild card that wasn't mentioned is that thers never been a coach that has cussed and demeaned his players like Haley. I say superbowl in 2010 !
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