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Boyceofsummer · 12-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley

by Matt Conner

Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.

My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season.

It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch.

More after the jump:

Star-divide
Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach.

Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold.

We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Let's see....camp cupcake or camp accountability? Seems like a no-brainer to me. The Chiefs will continue to get better, some just have no patience.

Continue to get better?

Are you claiming that they've improved in any phase of the game during this season?

If so, are you sure that you're watching the Kansas City Chiefs?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

What's to rationalize? It's not like it's not OBVIOUS that the team sucks, some just realize this is going to take some time. The team is coming off a 2 year win season. Anybody that expected Pioli to add 53 players that gel in one off-season, where only fooling themselves and has ZERO to do with hatred for Carl and/or Herm.

Um, I ****ing realize it's going to take time but JFC, how about a little progress?

45 new players yet none are impact players? Three wins?

What about all the ****ing HORSESHIT that was going on in here where people stated we'd win more games on "COACHING ALONE".

How's that working?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So you're pissed cause a bunch of 1st year guys made bad decisions?

First year guys?

Who are these "First Year Guys" you speak of?

Are you referring to the WORST DRAFT CLASS IN CHIEFS HISTORY?

Or the bumble****s in the front office and on the sidelines that are leading this team?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I think you mean, going for it on 4th down from his own 28, correct?

Yes

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Carl had 18 years experience as a GM. He never had a rookie HC save Gunther for 2 years.

I think it only realistic to expect Pioli and Haley to have growing pains. Particularly with the POS they had given to them as a team.

Then I'd like for you to explain why Josh McDaniels and Rick Xander are both first timers, yet they're headed to the playoffs.

While you're at it, please explain how Tom Dimitroff and Mike Smith, both first timers, took a 3-13 team to the playoffs last year with an 11-5 record.

I'll be waiting.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The big picture says it wasn't bad move, in my book. We landed a starting QB for a 2nd rounder-the odds of us finding a starting QB in the 2nd round last year, was SLIM.

If the Chiefs were looking for a QB that could not run a Pro Style Offense, they had that in Tyler Thigpen. And he was free.

Cassel's a ****ing joke.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Going by need, usually equals a reach in the draft. I commend Pioli for sticking to his guns. He also had to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

Needs? Are you ****ING kidding me?

Are you telling me that on a roster that was decimated of talent, that a 5 Tech, 3-4 defensive end was NEEDED with the #3 overall pick?

JFC. If you're serious then...****, I don't even know what to say without telling you to walk into an AIDS Tree or to kill yourself.

I'm conflicted.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I seriously doubt, we pick O-line with our top pick this year, as well. I don't find fault in going with who you think is the best player, at a position of need. All things being equal, the D-line needed to be addressed, every bit as much as the O-line.

Yeah, those D-line picks are working out famously. 500 yards a game.

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I think Pioli is on the right track and his vision for the team will pay dividends in the long-run.

Please explain because all I see is an incompetent offense and probably the worse Chiefs defense in YEARS.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 12-17-2009, 08:00 PM

And I believe Dane just summed it up.

googlegoogle · 12-17-2009, 08:04 PM

All of those coaches mentioned would have failed this year.

Tell me what they would have done. stupid article.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-17-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

And I believe Dane just summed it up.

We on FI-YA'!

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Didnt Herm at Indy in the regular season punt to Manning when Croyle and the offense was moving the ball all day.... Herm never saw the ball again...

Was there 2 min left in the game with us leading?

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then I'd like for you to explain why Josh McDaniels and Rick Xander are both first timers, yet they're headed to the playoffs.

While you're at it, please explain how Tom Dimitroff and Mike Smith, both first timers, took a 3-13 team to the playoffs last year with an 11-5 record.

I'll be waiting.

Josh has a shitload of talent to work with compared to us.

Are you saying the expectation is to go from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year with the kind of team we had?

BigChiefFan · 12-17-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs were looking for a QB that could not run a Pro Style Offense, they had that in Tyler Thigpen. And he was free.

Cassel's a ****ing joke.

Needs? Are you ****ING kidding me?

Are you telling me that on a roster that was decimated of talent, that a 5 Tech, 3-4 defensive end was NEEDED with the #3 overall pick?

JFC. If you're serious then...****, I don't even know what to say without telling you to walk into an AIDS Tree or to kill yourself.

I'm conflicted.

Yeah, those D-line picks are working out famously. 500 yards a game.

Please explain because all I see is an incompetent offense and probably the worse Chiefs defense in YEARS.

Merry Christmas, Dane. Merry ****ing Christmas. I love your rants, man, but I can't tangle with you tonight if you're looking to piss and moan. I'm patiently waiting, you're impatiently waiting. You know what we have in common? We're both waiting for the team to get better. I think they'll get there. Call it gut instinct.

I do see your point, because it's obvious the team sucks, but I believe they actually have some semblence of direction and an overall goal of improving the franchise from the ground up. I can't be so quick to write off Pioli and his pedigree in the NFL, that would foolish-his resume speaks for itself and I won't dismiss it, his first season as our GM, I believe he's earned more than that.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Josh has a shitload of talent to work with compared to us.

Bullshit.

They went out and signed MORE free agents than ANY team in the NFL. They traded their supposed "Franchise QB" for a former 4th rounder and picks. People around here "laughed" at the Broncos moves (I did not). They now have Chicago's first rounder in the 2010 draft and will be good for years.

NOT because of what was left behind but because of what was added and HOW McDaniels and Mike Nolan have coached up that team.

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Are you saying the expectation is to go from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year with the kind of team we had?

I'm stating that I would have like to have seen PROGRESS.

I would have to have seen IMPROVEMENT FROM WEEK TO WEEK.

This team is NO better than it was in Week One and quite honestly, they may have been better in week one than they are in week 14.

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Merry Christmas, Dane. Merry ****ing Christmas. I love your rants, man, but I can't tangle with you tonight if you're looking to piss and moan. I'm patiently waiting, you're impatiently waiting. You know what we have in common? We're both waiting for the team to get better. I think they'll get there. Call it gut instinct.

I do see your point, because it's obvious the team sucks, but I believe they actually have some semblence of direction and an overall goal of improving the franchise from the ground up. I can't be so quick to write off Pioli and his pedigree in the NFL, that would foolish-his resume speaks for itself and I won't dismiss it, his first season as our GM, I believe he's earned more than that.

What is it? And please don't use any of the bullshit cliches that Pioli would use: "looking for the right 53", "building a foundation", "trusting the process".

What's the direction? I see a stagnant franchise that's regressing, if anything.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Merry Christmas, Dane. Merry ****ing Christmas. I love your rants, man, but I can't tangle with you tonight if you're looking to piss and moan. I'm patiently waiting, you're impatiently waiting. You know what we have in common? We're both waiting for the team to get better. I think they'll get there. Call it gut instinct.

Merry Christmas to you as well!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I do see your point, because it's obvious the team sucks, but I believe they actually have some semblence of direction and an overall goal of improving the franchise from the ground up. I can't be so quick to write off Pioli and his pedigree in the NFL, that would foolish-his resume speaks for itself and I won't dismiss it, his first season as our GM, I believe he's earned more than that.

I'm not going to dismiss Pioli after year one. I'm not happy with the direction he's taken with the team and HOPE he has a plan.

Haley, on the other hand, can just GO. He hasn't shown the propensity of being a solid head coach. He hasn't grown over the course of the season. The QB and the offense have both gone backwards over the course of the season.

12-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Boyceofsummer That Doyle, he's a mean-un Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Salina, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley http://fwix.com/share/55_c6b76c6022 Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley by Matt Conner Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite. My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season. It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch. More after the jump: Star-divide Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach. Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold. We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.
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