Chiefs Yet another Suh draft thread... - Page 3

**AustinChief** · 12-21-2009, 02:51 AM

OK, playing around with the numbers.... it looks like there is still a slight chance that we could get the #2 overall pick behind St Louis... I have to assume that they are going to go QB... which would leave Suh to us.

Now, that leaves a bit of a dilemna...

1) We obviously would have to move back to a 4-3... Suh is the kind of player you do whatvere it takes and fire whoever needs to be fired to best utilize him...

2) Our D-Line would then have the overall #3 from 2009, #5 from 2008, #2 from 2010 and #20 from 2006 picks on it...

That obviously is a hell of a lot of investment in just the d-line AND it also assumes that Tyson Jackson can play 4-3 DE AND it doesn't leave us with much pass rush from either DE... but I am willing to say that past/present coaching may have something to do with our past lack of pressure...

SOOO the question is... you just can't passs on Suh... but also how could we afford to get him at this point... are we past the point of no return?

Sam Hall · 12-21-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

The thing about Suh is he didn't do shit when Cosgrove and co. were the coaches. This staff is no better.

I have no recollection of those days.

**alanm** · 12-21-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

You know I love Suh but these are legit questions. Do you trust the current coaching staff will delevope him into a good player? I haven't seen proof of that. Who was the last can't miss D-tackle? He was also coached by a guy in college who knew what he was doing. The same guy who coached Suh

. To be honest the most intriguing Husker on defense is Phillip Dillard. I would like to see him on this linebacking core.

Dillard is 3rd or 4th rounder. He's also going to make the team that drafts him.

Red Dawg · 12-21-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

Good god, am I really arguing with another husker fan on wherther or not we take the best D player in the draft?

They will take the best player for this team. They have spent the entire year trying too teach these clowns the 3-4. They will not change the entire defense just because they picked Suh. Pats and Steelers have won 5 SB's between them recently with the 3-4. None of us should want it changed. Scott will get the players for the 3-4 and when he done it will be KICK ASS!

**The Bad Guy** · 12-21-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

if suh is there make it work, he's the best player in the draft, and I don't care if we have drafted tyson jacons and dorsey, dlineman is still a need.

Thanks Matt Millen.

BigCatDaddy · 12-21-2009, 10:50 AM

Unless you are taking a QB, passing on Suh should be a fireable offense.

**The Franchise** · 12-21-2009, 10:53 AM

4 1st round picks on the defensive line would be monumentally stupid.

Demonpenz · 12-21-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Thanks Matt Millen.

when did matt millen take a bunch of d-linemen?

Sam Hall · 12-21-2009, 11:13 AM

I'd like the Chiefs to come away from this draft with Eric Berry and Larry Asante, who had a breakout season.

Hoover · 12-21-2009, 11:16 AM

If we have Suh and Dorsey at DT, I think I could get 10.5 sacks...

BigCatDaddy · 12-21-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

If we have Suh and Dorsey at DT, I think I could get 10.5 sacks...

McCoy isn't really that far behind Suh either. Him and Dorsey at DT's would also be sweet.

**BossChief** · 12-21-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Thanks Matt Millen.

I get what you are saying and all, but remember this: the Lions would have been more foolish to pass on Calvin Johnson just because of their history with first round receivers...THAT is the point.

I said it toward the beginning of the season, he is the best college player I have seen from any position during my lifetime except for Peyton. You CANT pass on a player like him if he is on the board when you are on the clock.

He will be Reggie White. His defense will win Championships. His presence would let our QB sleep better at night because of how much less will be on his shoulders. He would make Tamba a probowler.

WE JUST GAVE UP 286 YARDS RUSHING

AT HOME

TO A ****ING 3RD STRING RB

FROM A 2 WIN TEAM

! We NEED a SUH!

I also say it is foolish/misinformed to say that we would have to change to a 4-3 to draft him. We would have to tweak the scheme to a gap penetrating one where the nose is used similarly to how Dallas uses theirs to accommodate for Dorseys strengths. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT DORSEY WAS DRAFTED FOR. He went so high because he could be in the a gap before the olinemen got set up. THATS WHAT HE WOULD BE DOING. This is why I have mentioned Wade Phillips so much in my thoughts about our possibilities for our DC position. His defense keyed by Dorsey and SUH would definitely be CHAMPIONSHIP calibur!

...SUH Dorsey Jackson
Hali... ___ ....___.... ___
Flowers Carr
Morgan...Page

Add a couple more linebackers and THAT defense is SET for some time to come and will consistently get better and grow together for the next 10 years..Fix the oline and receivers with the rest of FA/draft and we could be MUCH improved next year even with SUH going through rookie pains.

Suh could be the rare type of 3-4 end that can average 7-9 sacks per year and shut down the run to his side almost single-handedly.

As some are saying, he transcends the position.

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Unless you are taking a QB, passing on Suh should be a fireable offense.

THIS X100000000000000000000

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-21-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

4 1st round picks on the defensive line would be monumentally stupid.

It's hilarious to think this team could spend 4 top 5 picks on the d line over the course of a decade.

We'll be the new Detroit!

Fritz88 · 12-21-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

It's my opinion. But, come on. They're not switching from the 3-4.

True. Why would they switch back to 4-3?

Fritz88 · 12-21-2009, 12:21 PM

If we draft Suh I am going to shoot myself.

**MahiMike** · 12-21-2009, 12:38 PM

If Suh is there you have to take him and not look back.

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