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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

You know what this franchise needs? To fall into the next great QB in the history of the game in the 6th round. Then the 'culture of winning' starts to blossom.

That or start video taping the other teams defensive signals.

Jason has a point, and I cannot disagree.

This team has not improved in any phase of the game the entire year. That's quite an accomplishment considering how bad this team was last year.

Only thing I can say is we're not Washington.

Washington will turn it around much more quickly than the Chiefs.

Bank it.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Actually, if we take the word of our Minister of Information at face-value, all coaching/coord personnel decisions ARE IN FACT at the ultimate discretion of one Todd Haley.

Thus my statement that control should not be in his hands at this point.

The GM must step in and save the HC from himself, assuming Haley isn't fired (as he should be).

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Thus my statement that control should not be in his hands at this point.

The GM must step in and save the HC from himself, assuming Haley isn't fired (as he should be).

Who you replacing Haley with?

**Skip Towne** · 12-21-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Who you replacing Haley with?

Marty

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Who you replacing Haley with?

If I'm Pioli, I try my hardest to convince Clark to back up the Brinks truck for Cowher, just as he did for me.

But with this much time to survey the landscape, the Executive of the Century should be able to identify a more qualified candidate than Haley, don't you think?

After all, everything was rushed before. Haley wasn't really his guy, so this season was simply an evaluation year. It didn't really count. Everyone knows this.

Were you people expecting playoffs?

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Way to deflect the point.

Were you hired to be a ballwasher or do you do it willingly?

Your point was that he fires "incompetent" coaches, correct?

Beside the obvious refute, that he is the one who keeps hiring these dumbasses (therefore making him incompetent)... there is the logical conclusion that frivolous hiring and firing of coaches does not translate into success: exhibit A - the Washington Redskins.

We don't want a Dan Snyder and you are completely disenfranchised for thinking it... and defaming Lamar Hunt like you did earlier is ****ed up. You're mental, seriously. You're not thinking coherently.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Were you people expecting playoffs?

we're not the ones overreacting to the season...

what's your point? I don't follow.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:01 PM

at Snyder getting rid of Marty when they were beginning to turn the corner.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

at Snyder getting rid of Marty when they were beginning to turn the corner.

@ SD for getting rid of Marty when he couldnt win in the playoffs... Then replacing him with Norv Turner....

Talk about your all time fail...

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

we're not the ones overreacting to the season...

what's your point? I don't follow.

Poking fun at the intellectual dishonesty inherent in the rebuttals offered to those who have been critical of the current regime.

**Skip Towne** · 12-21-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

at Snyder getting rid of Marty when they were beginning to turn the corner.

So why would Shanahan want to go there? He wants total control.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

So why would Shanahan want to go there? He wants total control.

He'd probably get it.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

@ SD for getting rid of Marty when he couldnt win in the playoffs... Then replacing him with Norv Turner....

Talk about your all time fail...

Ya, that really did nose-dive on them

Marty built Turner a hell of a team.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

@ AJ Smith for getting rid of Marty for pulling a Marty in the playoffs, then replacing him with Norv Turner...

Talk about your all time fails...

Might not be so funny this year.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If I'm Pioli, I try my hardest to convince Clark to back up the Brinks truck for Cowher, just as he did for me.

But with this much time to survey the landscape, the Executive of the Century should be able to identify a more qualified candidate than Haley, don't you think?

After all, everything was rushed before. Haley wasn't really his guy, so this season was simply an evaluation year. It didn't really count. Everyone knows this.

Were you people expecting playoffs?

Couldnt you go out and get an up and coming coordinator or something... I dont think Cowhers ****ed up chin and ego would go together with Pioli....

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3037187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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